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Therran Promitz
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#1 - 2012-12-13 21:32:45 UTC
I was killed the other night by two neutral Cynabals. They fired first, and aren't in a militia, yet I still don't have the killrights on them. Is there some other factor I'm missing?
BoBoZoBo
MGroup9
#2 - 2012-12-13 21:36:29 UTC
Therran Promitz wrote:
I was killed the other night by two neutral Cynabals. They fired first, and aren't in a militia, yet I still don't have the killrights on them. Is there some other factor I'm missing?


This happend to a buddy of mine the other night. He was in an industrial with no way to aggress. They had no rights to him, he was not a suspect. He has filed a petition and is awaiting a response.

Something seems to a be a bit messed up though.

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Kehro Urgus
Dark Nebula Academy
O X I D E
#3 - 2012-12-13 21:37:39 UTC
Therran Promitz wrote:
I was killed the other night by two neutral Cynabals. They fired first, and aren't in a militia, yet I still don't have the killrights on them. Is there some other factor I'm missing?


Did you fire back?

Yeeee! 
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#4 - 2012-12-13 21:41:06 UTC
Where did it happen?
Therran Promitz
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#5 - 2012-12-13 21:44:14 UTC
Kehro Urgus wrote:
Therran Promitz wrote:
I was killed the other night by two neutral Cynabals. They fired first, and aren't in a militia, yet I still don't have the killrights on them. Is there some other factor I'm missing?


Did you fire back?


Of course I fired back.


And it was in lowsec
Tah'ris Khlador
Space Ghosts.
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#6 - 2012-12-13 21:44:52 UTC
A) You aggressed back. No Killrights.

B) You were in low sec but were not podded. No Killrights.

C) You had a killright on you yourself, it was activated, and you died. No Killrights.

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Aria Ta'Rohk
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#7 - 2012-12-13 21:45:31 UTC
If I'm correct, kill rights should become available the moment they fire on your ship.

I'll take 2 carebears to go, with extra tears
Therran Promitz
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#8 - 2012-12-13 21:47:57 UTC
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Kill_rights

Killrights should be genereated from any aggress unless they had a killright on me or were in an enemy militia.
No one should have a kill right on me because I only target WTs, and the aggressors were neutrals.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#9 - 2012-12-13 21:48:31 UTC
Therran Promitz wrote:
Of course I fired back.

And it was in lowsec
Firing back makes no difference.
Being in lowsec does.

If all they did was shoot at your ship, they didn't trigger a C-flag (that only happens with pods in lowsec). No C-flag — no killright.
Therran Promitz
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#10 - 2012-12-13 21:50:03 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Therran Promitz wrote:
Of course I fired back.

And it was in lowsec
Firing back makes no difference.
Being in lowsec does.

If all they did was shoot at your ship, they didn't trigger a C-flag (that only happens with pods in lowsec). No C-flag — no killright.


Except I've been popped before in lowsec without being podded and have had killrights given.
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#11 - 2012-12-13 21:58:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Ranger 1
Therran Promitz wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Therran Promitz wrote:
Of course I fired back.

And it was in lowsec
Firing back makes no difference.
Being in lowsec does.

If all they did was shoot at your ship, they didn't trigger a C-flag (that only happens with pods in lowsec). No C-flag — no killright.


Except I've been popped before in lowsec without being podded and have had killrights given.

Not since the expansion was released.
If they had fired or activated a hostile module on your pod you would have kill rights.

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#12 - 2012-12-13 21:58:56 UTC
Therran Promitz wrote:
Except I've been popped before in lowsec without being podded and have had killrights given.
That was before, this is now.
New CrimeWatch, new rules for killrights.

It used to be that any unresisted unlawful kill would trigger a killright.
With CrimeWatch 2.0, only actions that trigger a Criminal-flag give out kill rights to the victim of that action. In lowsec, only attacks on pods (and remote support to already C-flagged players) trigger C-flags.
Therran Promitz
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#13 - 2012-12-13 22:09:09 UTC
So it's okay for them to blow up my ship, it's just the pod that allows kill rights? So much for retribution
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#14 - 2012-12-13 22:12:07 UTC
Therran Promitz wrote:
So it's okay for them to blow up my ship, it's just the pod that allows kill rights?
…and it's ok for you to blow up their ships in retribution.
Vaal Erit
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#15 - 2012-12-13 22:12:55 UTC
Yup, you do not get kill rights for losing a ship in low sec anymore.

Once these pre-Retribution kill rights expire, kill rights are going to be exceedingly rare and bounty hunting will be non existent. Really dumb.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#16 - 2012-12-13 22:17:49 UTC
Vaal Erit wrote:
Once these pre-Retribution kill rights expire, kill rights are going to be exceedingly rare and bounty hunting will be non existent.
…because no-one ever gets any c-flags in high or low-sec any more, right? Roll
So how will bounty-hunting be less common with more avenues to attack the people with a bounty on them?
Therran Promitz
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#17 - 2012-12-13 22:18:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Therran Promitz
Tippia wrote:
Therran Promitz wrote:
So it's okay for them to blow up my ship, it's just the pod that allows kill rights?
…and it's ok for you to blow up their ships in retribution.


Bit difficult for someone with SP like mine to kill T2 fitted Cyns, but I'l aspire to that.
Therran Promitz
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#18 - 2012-12-13 22:20:41 UTC
Vaal Erit wrote:
Yup, you do not get kill rights for losing a ship in low sec anymore.

Once these pre-Retribution kill rights expire, kill rights are going to be exceedingly rare and bounty hunting will be non existent. Really dumb.


Exactly, I like that they're overhauling the bounty system, but it's a simple matter for someone to go into hisec where the Hand of God/CONORD will keep them safe.

I'm not saying pirates and the like will live in hisec because of this, but it's such an easy thing to circumvent.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#19 - 2012-12-13 22:22:07 UTC
Therran Promitz wrote:
Bit difficult for someone with SP like mine to kll T2 fitted Cyns, but I'l aspire to that.
A dish served cold, and all that… Blink

Or you could bring along some help and really hammer the point home for the poor guys.
YoYo NickyYo
Doomheim
#20 - 2012-12-13 23:38:21 UTC
Therran Promitz wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Therran Promitz wrote:
Of course I fired back.

And it was in lowsec
Firing back makes no difference.
Being in lowsec does.

If all they did was shoot at your ship, they didn't trigger a C-flag (that only happens with pods in lowsec). No C-flag — no killright.


Except I've been popped before in lowsec without being podded and have had killrights given.



Reading the patch notes when a system is updated....good. Posting in GD due to lack of reading comprehension.....Priceless. Oops

I am not, nor will I ever be...Nicky Yo.... The question you should ask is.....When will they release the NICKY!
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