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What Cloaking is Supposed to be
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Nariya Kentaya
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#1 - 2011-10-21 19:44:39 UTC
Ingvar Angst wrote:
I suppose I'll reiterate my original idea on how to "fix" that which isn't broken.

1. When a vessel cloaks, remove it from local. It doesn't make sense that it can mask it's signature from all forms of detection except local.
2. When a vessel cloaks, remove the ability of that vessel to see local. You can't be seen, you can't see who's there without a visual, probes, whatever. You're cloaked, it's a two-way street. In addition, when cloaked you can't be used as a warp-to target either.
3. When a vessel uncloaks, put a time delay of 30 or so seconds before that vessel can fire up a cyno. This will prevent abuse of the feature.


basically, intel is killing cloaking enough as it is, no need to nerf it more.

cloaking SHOULD be used to visually gather intel, hence why you are CLOAKED.

and personally i feel the "not on local at all" approach would fit in nicely with the role, since cov/blackops and stealth bombers really are ambush ships if they are even considered for combat.
wouldnt it be nice to be able to cloak up before an enemy fleet arrives so that when they get there they dont even see anyone in local, then you can wait for your fleet to get there (providing intel on their fleet comp the entire time),a nd ocne your fleet warps in, you let off some bombs and torps, and fly the hell out.

yes there would be drawbacks since it would make black/cov ops and SB's ALOT more dangerous, but hey, are they dangerous AT ALL right now? i mean, an SB can do some damage to an AFK miner in low, but most often i see solo SB's get their face slammed in.

TL;DR cloaks are hard enough to use as it is with local, give them some love.

and before ANYONE says that people will just start fielding massive cloaky fleets, think, they ahve 1 less high slot when cloaking, most cloaking dependent ships have crap tank, and the more useful they are the more expensive people will sell them for.
implement Ingvar's idea and the rest of the problems will more then likely balance themselves after a while.
Nariya Kentaya
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#2 - 2011-10-22 13:34:01 UTC
really? no replies? this idea was no where near as bad as majority of the other "beat cloaking and hang its corpse from a tree and let the carebears rejoice" ideas.
Sebastian N Cain
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2011-10-22 14:55:31 UTC
Probably because they saw the title and thought:

"oh noes, not another cloak thread... if i have to read more whining from people smelling of urine because they are constantly pisslng themselves as soon as other peoples show up in a multiplayer game i´m gonna throw myself behind a bus!"Lol

I got lost in thought... it was unfamiliar territory.
Mag's
Azn Empire
#4 - 2011-10-22 16:45:28 UTC
Sebastian N Cain wrote:
Probably because they saw the title and thought:

"oh noes, not another cloak thread... if i have to read more whining from people smelling of urine because they are constantly pisslng themselves as soon as other peoples show up in a multiplayer game i´m gonna throw myself behind a bus!"Lol
That and the fact it already has it's own thread. Here.

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1-Up Mushroom
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#5 - 2011-10-22 22:28:26 UTC
Actually the first part isn't bad, if your cloaked and removed from local this could potentially remove AFK cloakers

Although the rest I don't like much
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