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Since retribution i cant probe anything...

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Sephirvina
State War Academy
Caldari State
#1 - 2012-12-12 07:01:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Sephirvina
hi,

did they changed something about probing in Retribution?
I used to probe a lot and i was quite good at it.

Now with Retribution i cant seem to find anyone :

Everytime i probe something at about 20% signal, i just cover it with at least 4 (even 5) of my probes.
Have 6 probes, doing a diamond shape with them.
Scanning, and signal disappears.

So, did they changed something about probing ?
something noticeable ?

For example ; http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/259/20121212070616.jpg/

If I scan like this on the screen, the signal simply disappears... is that bugged or what?
if I scan it with the previous placement/range of probes, it reappears at the same location/%
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2012-12-12 08:06:17 UTC
A diamond shape only has 4 sides What?

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Sephirvina
State War Academy
Caldari State
#3 - 2012-12-12 08:09:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Sephirvina
Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:
A diamond shape only has 4 sides What?

it has 6 corners in our actual world...
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2012-12-12 08:15:42 UTC
Sephirvina wrote:
Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:
A diamond shape only has 4 sides What?

it has 6 in our actual world...


Sorry, I'm not part of the 1%... I only see things on my computer in 2 dimensions Cry

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Vilnius Zar
SDC Multi Ten
#5 - 2012-12-12 09:58:10 UTC
several options:

- you're probing near the station so there's a good chance you'll find some ship that's about to dock up or warp away and quite possibly catch it mid warp, so next time you scan it it'll be gone. If you hunt for mission runners it's best to move the probe cluster above or below the plane so you'll only get ships that are in mission pockets

- you probably set specific ship types in your filter so as you decrease probe size and increase "hit quality" on the target at some point it'll be known what ship type it is and, if it's not on your list, gets filtered out

- there's now a skill that increases sensor strength and while carebears aren't known for being on the ball when it comes to new stuff it's very logical for mission runners in Caldari space to train that stuff up real quick. Realistically they'll increase their sensor Str by about 20% making it 20% more difficult for you to find them



Zoe Athame
Don't Lose Your Way
#6 - 2012-12-12 09:58:26 UTC
Reset your search filter. They disappear at 20% because you identify the type of site but your filter is set not to show that type (or any type.)

I dont know the cause of this but i've had it happen a few times after patches.
Sephirvina
State War Academy
Caldari State
#7 - 2012-12-12 10:24:18 UTC
thanks for your answers

yeah i also think that its something about my filters :p ( i am filtering lvl 4 mission runners )
But my filter needs to be remade imo :p

What kind of ship can make lvl 4 missions plz ? :p

in my filter, i checked : Battlecruiser, Battleship, Command ship, Marauder


J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#8 - 2012-12-12 10:33:03 UTC
Sephirvina wrote:
thanks for your answers

yeah i also think that its something about my filters :p ( i am filtering lvl 4 mission runners )
But my filter needs to be remade imo :p

What kind of ship can make lvl 4 missions plz ? :p

in my filter, i checked : Battlecruiser, Battleship, Command ship, Marauder




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Vilnius Zar
SDC Multi Ten
#9 - 2012-12-12 11:21:14 UTC
J'Poll wrote:
Sephirvina wrote:
thanks for your answers

yeah i also think that its something about my filters :p ( i am filtering lvl 4 mission runners )
But my filter needs to be remade imo :p

What kind of ship can make lvl 4 missions plz ? :p

in my filter, i checked : Battlecruiser, Battleship, Command ship, Marauder




Add Strategic Cruisers (T3's like the Tengu are used)


And that's what he's missing, Tengus... thousands of them!
Doddy
Excidium.
#10 - 2012-12-12 11:28:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Doddy
Sephirvina wrote:
thanks for your answers

yeah i also think that its something about my filters :p ( i am filtering lvl 4 mission runners )
But my filter needs to be remade imo :p

What kind of ship can make lvl 4 missions plz ? :p

in my filter, i checked : Battlecruiser, Battleship, Command ship, Marauder




If you are probing with filters on and a signal disappears it is usually because you have got close enough to identify it and filtered it out. Its annoying as you then don't know if you have gone off the target, the target moved, or you filtered it. So filters are pretty pointless. Filters are reset to default after major patches so you suddenly find it acting different again.
Sephirvina
State War Academy
Caldari State
#11 - 2012-12-12 11:54:17 UTC
allright i'll give it a try thanks a lot ! :)
Sephirvina
State War Academy
Caldari State
#12 - 2012-12-12 12:38:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Sephirvina
hmm it seemed to be filters cause i can now correctly probe ships :p

but there are still some issues :p

i think i'm missing some kind of ships in my filter

dunno which though

EDIT :
well the problem is that it seems that filters are applied only when i reach about 20% signal strengh
and i dont remember it was like that when i played EVE.

I remember that when i find any signature, its one of the ship i filtered.
Kurt Saken
Star Cluster Wanderer
#13 - 2012-12-12 12:57:07 UTC
As you may know already, the problem is in your filters. I have some experience scanning and these are the filters i use:

Signature: tick all
Anomalies
Ships: tick all
Structures: tick all

etc etc


Don't set a filter only for Radars (for example) because you will get mad eventually. If you look for a Radar, first you will detect a signal called "unknown". At this point your filter is ok, but when you get close the sigal will vanish if it is a Mag, w-hole or whatever.

Anyway, when the signal suddenly disappears you always can use the "show all" filter (don't move the probes) and you will know what is wrong with your filter.

I scan everyday my w-hole, all the sigs, and i do it fast, so if you have any questions send a mail to this toon and i will help you.
I used the Heron for one month, great ship, but now the Buzzard is simply awesome. Spend some iskies in faction probes and launchers and you won't regret it.
Sephirvina
State War Academy
Caldari State
#14 - 2012-12-12 13:23:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Sephirvina
Kurt Saken wrote:
As you may know already, the problem is in your filters. I have some experience scanning and these are the filters i use:

Signature: tick all
Anomalies
Ships: tick all
Structures: tick all

etc etc


Don't set a filter only for Radars (for example) because you will get mad eventually. If you look for a Radar, first you will detect a signal called "unknown". At this point your filter is ok, but when you get close the sigal will vanish if it is a Mag, w-hole or whatever.

Anyway, when the signal suddenly disappears you always can use the "show all" filter (don't move the probes) and you will know what is wrong with your filter.

I scan everyday my w-hole, all the sigs, and i do it fast, so if you have any questions send a mail to this toon and i will help you.
I used the Heron for one month, great ship, but now the Buzzard is simply awesome. Spend some iskies in faction probes and launchers and you won't regret it.



I'm using Heron atm :p
so what you are saying is that you dont use any filters at all ?

You just random scan and see what happens ?

My goal is to ninja-salvage.
I have to put lvl 4 mission's runner's ships :p else it will take me a lot of time.

the problem ( and it seems to have changed since my last playtime on EVE - 7 months ago - ) is that when i just filter " Battlecruiser, Battleship, Command ship, Marauder and Strategic Cruisers " I'm able to find ( at 20% or less ) other signatures that are NOT in my filters. This is driving me crazy :p
I can't remember that it was like that 7 months ago.

Any ways to only scan what is in my filter ?
Kurt Saken
Star Cluster Wanderer
#15 - 2012-12-12 13:59:33 UTC
No, i don't random scan. If i want to find a Gravi site, a Radar or an exit for my w-hole, i use my "Signature" filter. I need less than 2 minutes to find a sig with 100% strenght (my scanning skills are good, and also i use an implant), so it is not a problem if i don't find what i'm looking for because it will be the next sig.

First i set the bubbles at 16 AU range (this covers the entire system where i live). I will detect all the signals with low strenght, but now i know where they are. My static exit has a strong signal so i usually scan for that first, then i scan the rest. Usually, 4-5 signals. This means 20-30 minutes max (if i'm just chilling and doing it slowly) and i'm done.

About the ships, no, you can't set a filter for a determinated type of ship (like a BC, strategic cruiser or whatever) and expect to work, because the first signal you will detect will be named as "ship". Then if you are looking for a BS but the ship is a BC you will lose the signal when you get close.

Obviously if there are 3 people in the system, 2 of them are docked and you see on D-scan something like "Mr Missioner's Tengu - Tengu", you will find him easier. Or work on your skills and you will need less time to find people so it will be less annoying when you find something in what you are not interested.
Solomar Espersei
Quality Assurance
#16 - 2012-12-12 14:20:14 UTC
Sephirvina wrote:
...My goal is to ninja-salvage.
I have to put lvl 4 mission's runner's ships :p else it will take me a lot of time...


I'm here to help you. For a beginning ninja salvager, set your filter to:

Battleships, Battlecruisers, Elite Battleships, Marauders and Command Ships. Make sure everything else is NOT checked. Tengus in their untold numbers are a bit tough for new scanners to get a warpable hit so, you'll do better ignoring them. You can always add them later. Make sure you're in a spot where there are plenty of missions happening. To find this out, go to Dotlan EVE Maps, find the region in which you propose to work, and use the filter "NPC Kills". One or two of the systems in the region will be far more active than others and that's where you should be. For example, I just took a look at The Citadel and the map would suggest there is active mission activity going on in the Waskisen/Irjunen/Inari hub. This is because the agent (in Irjunen if memory serves) will send the mission runn to one of those 3 systems.

Launch your probes into the diamond pattern that you described, but place a 7th probe in the center. Align your others so that their outer edges just touch this center probe. It should be one step smaller than the others. For initial scanning you might use 6 probes at 16 AU and the center one at 8 AU. You can then re-size them down on a "yellow hit" and move them to the center using the Alt keep.

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Sephirvina
State War Academy
Caldari State
#17 - 2012-12-12 15:10:19 UTC
Solomar Espersei wrote:
Sephirvina wrote:
...My goal is to ninja-salvage.
I have to put lvl 4 mission's runner's ships :p else it will take me a lot of time...


I'm here to help you. For a beginning ninja salvager, set your filter to:

Battleships, Battlecruisers, Elite Battleships, Marauders and Command Ships. Make sure everything else is NOT checked. Tengus in their untold numbers are a bit tough for new scanners to get a warpable hit so, you'll do better ignoring them. You can always add them later. Make sure you're in a spot where there are plenty of missions happening. To find this out, go to Dotlan EVE Maps, find the region in which you propose to work, and use the filter "NPC Kills". One or two of the systems in the region will be far more active than others and that's where you should be. For example, I just took a look at The Citadel and the map would suggest there is active mission activity going on in the Waskisen/Irjunen/Inari hub. This is because the agent (in Irjunen if memory serves) will send the mission runn to one of those 3 systems.

Launch your probes into the diamond pattern that you described, but place a 7th probe in the center. Align your others so that their outer edges just touch this center probe. It should be one step smaller than the others. For initial scanning you might use 6 probes at 16 AU and the center one at 8 AU. You can then re-size them down on a "yellow hit" and move them to the center using the Alt keep.

If you need help with All Things Ninja, join Ninja Dojo chat channel. You can also chat with me or any of my crew in QA Public.


hmm thanks !
I was probing in Couster then someone stole my probes...

BTW i'm not a beginner at all :p
I'm just surprised that we can now find signatures that arent set in our filters. I used to probe 7 months ago and it wasnt like that at all : u set a filter, u find signatures present in your filter.
Probing for ninja salvaging is now a waste of time... it takes WAY too much time to find a spot, where u can find other ninjas, guristas or ****** wrecks, a missioner that also salvage etc...
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#18 - 2012-12-12 15:50:48 UTC
Sephirvina wrote:
Solomar Espersei wrote:
Sephirvina wrote:
...My goal is to ninja-salvage.
I have to put lvl 4 mission's runner's ships :p else it will take me a lot of time...


I'm here to help you. For a beginning ninja salvager, set your filter to:

Battleships, Battlecruisers, Elite Battleships, Marauders and Command Ships. Make sure everything else is NOT checked. Tengus in their untold numbers are a bit tough for new scanners to get a warpable hit so, you'll do better ignoring them. You can always add them later. Make sure you're in a spot where there are plenty of missions happening. To find this out, go to Dotlan EVE Maps, find the region in which you propose to work, and use the filter "NPC Kills". One or two of the systems in the region will be far more active than others and that's where you should be. For example, I just took a look at The Citadel and the map would suggest there is active mission activity going on in the Waskisen/Irjunen/Inari hub. This is because the agent (in Irjunen if memory serves) will send the mission runn to one of those 3 systems.

Launch your probes into the diamond pattern that you described, but place a 7th probe in the center. Align your others so that their outer edges just touch this center probe. It should be one step smaller than the others. For initial scanning you might use 6 probes at 16 AU and the center one at 8 AU. You can then re-size them down on a "yellow hit" and move them to the center using the Alt keep.

If you need help with All Things Ninja, join Ninja Dojo chat channel. You can also chat with me or any of my crew in QA Public.


hmm thanks !
I was probing in Couster then someone stole my probes...

BTW i'm not a beginner at all :p
I'm just surprised that we can now find signatures that arent set in our filters. I used to probe 7 months ago and it wasnt like that at all : u set a filter, u find signatures present in your filter.
Probing for ninja salvaging is now a waste of time... it takes WAY too much time to find a spot, where u can find other ninjas, guristas or ****** wrecks, a missioner that also salvage etc...



Probes can't be stolen. But they do expire if you leave them out too long (there's a timer next to them). Just recall them before the timer, then relaunch them, to reset the timer (you'll need to reload them into the launcher, obviously)

If you jump out of system, or dock, you'll lose your connection to them as well. But if you return to the system or undock, there's a reconnect button to hook back into them (as long as their timer hasn't expired)

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Tamiya Sarossa
Resistance is Character Forming
#19 - 2012-12-12 16:46:15 UTC
The problem you're having is just that things can't be filtered until they're identified - i.e. more than 25% strength. It's annoying, but it kind of makes sense. And yeah, but it's always been this way, just gotta work around it and don't expect it to be a mission ship until you get it past 25%.
Solomar Espersei
Quality Assurance
#20 - 2012-12-12 17:06:55 UTC
Couster, though not a Newbie System, is a "Career Agent" system and therefor you're not likely to find ANY level 4s going on. If your roaming takes you into a system where you expect to find lots of wrecks fields, and yet you sit on the undock seeing only frigates and dessies undocking, you've probably came to the wrong place.

Once you've an idea of where the Lv 4 missions are going on, with decent skills, you can find plenty of missions to pillage in only a matter off moments. A mere 6 jumps away from Couster is Eglennaert and you'll find plenty of missions there.

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