Ships & Modules

HAM Tengu is great for PvE, I can confirm that much. It's like flying a missile Machariel that never misses.

Did a few L4s. Frigates - even Elite Frigs - die pretty fast to T1 HA missiles when you have 2 T2 Rigors, GMP V and a +5% missile precision rig.

Try it out in a Caracl on some hi-sec belt rats if you don't believe me

Missiles are win post retri

All hail the HAM Caracal!

I thought only range and damage were being changed on HMs? Has explosive velocity and radius been changed too?

How have the changes to T2 CMs/HMs ammo come out in the wash? Better than Faction now or still 2nd best?

That is kind of the goal. Heavy Missile Spam was big but they should not be taken off the table as an effective fleet weapon. Just cut down to size a tiny bit.

Before the patch as you said people use Heavies as a close range weapon, I did on my Drakes. Why fit HAM's when Heavies do most of the Damage while being more accurate, better fitting and with a longer range option? Now that HAM's are effected by Guided Missile Precision and have better fitting they are supposed to take over for the most part in that close range role.

Now all we need is ships fit with Heavy Beams, 250mm Rails and to a much lessor extent 720mm Artillery to meet the Drakes fleet combat abilities. Make Drakeacane not the only T1 Fleet options below Battleship guns or Scorch not the only Amarr option below Large Guns. CCP Fozzie stated that he was going to look into those Medium long range weapons in the Missile Threadnaught.

i can't check the numbers right now but my guess is that rage cruises might just outperform navy cruises on npc rats of battlecruiser size and above. then there is still TPs if you aren't lazy.

It would be impossible to rebalance all the ships at once, so they started at the bottom. And eve has never had a great balance so if the cerb is a little underpowered now: suck it up.

No, it went from 170 km to 140 km . Not that it really matters, because the Cerberus was entirely worthless anyway, having been completely obsoleted by the Drake and Tengu.

I understand but buy doing that they made the weapon all but useless for smaller pvp and PvE.


I understand and can live with the Range and Damage Reduction, might need a little fine tuneing between HAM/HM though it seems ook as a base.

Though the Explosion Range, should be turned back to what it was:

the reason why.

You need riggs to usefully tackle this problem [for solo and small gangs] (yea there are tp and webs but usefull at a range, that makes long range weapons unneeded).

so unless T2 ships have a bonus to the explosion range, a T1 ship will get a better result out of minimising the explosion radius, or have riggs to spare to other wise improve there T1 ship.

although the blessing of missiles is that they will always hit, they can hit or 0 damage over it's entire range and that isn't a problem when fighting a specialiced ship completly focused on small signature and speed tanking, but it's not that hard to fit a ship that easaly tanks, a HM Caracal and Drake, to easy in my humble opinion, unless you're rigged and trained high-end.

Now with range on par, damage lowered, delayed damage, deenders/ and smart bombs as a counter. I think it would be nice to have the range that is left, to be a bit more effective to frigates/drones, than it's now after the Retribution.

2x T2 Rigor, 1x T1 Hydraulic Thruster

I ran Guristas Assault with it pretty well; more time was lost to NPC jamming than to closing range. You do have to plan your targets ahead more than with the HML, but the BS rats die so fast that it's worth it.