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Question on Sansha Refuges

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Kasbin
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2012-12-11 01:19:19 UTC
I decided to scan down a site or two and the first one I found was a cosmic anomaly which turned out to be a Sansha Refuge. It was in 0.8 space and I was wondering what sort of ships are required for these. I originally went in with my Imicus and tried with my drones. Almost immediately I was hit hard by the Tower Sentry and really hard by the Light Missile Battery. it dropped almost my entire shield.

I went back with my Catalyst and it took me a very long time to clear it out. There were what felt like several waves with all of the below NPCs. So my question is, what is a pilot expected to enter one of these things with? I couldn't get close to the tower sentry or missile battery at all. Clearly I'm doing something wrong...

Centii Butcher
Centii Savage
Centii Manslayer
Centii Plague
Centii Enslaver
Centii Scavenger
Centii Slavehandler
Centior Misshape
Centior Cannibal
Centior Abomination
Tower Sentry Sansha I
Sansha Light Missile Battery
Lost Greybeard
Drunken Yordles
#2 - 2012-12-11 01:37:43 UTC
Typing the name of the site into google will get you any one of several websites that list the contents of a given exploration site so that you can know what exactly to bring.

Generally speaking, I tend to hit high-sec sites with a cruiser, just from sheer laziness, but the standard is to bring in a destroyer or a well-fit frigate, and that's usually the better choice for this category of anomaly if you're relying on turrets.

Sansha are shield tankers (weakest to EM, Thermal's not bad) and use lasers (EM/Thermal damage). I would venture that if you fit your catalyst with blasters and good propulsion you could wipe the stuff you're listing out pretty fast, it's not as optimal as a laser coercer for sansha but should be more than enough DPS. Twenty minutes or so at worst.

A couple other things I picked up here:
-- "dropped my entire shield": Gallente are not really natural shield tanks, you'll generally want to do armor
-- as a corollary to the above, using active armor (a small armor repairer) is usually good for PvE
-- The Imicus is a good scanning ship, but not much of a combat ship. you'll generally want to grab something else to run sites
-- Whether you've got a problem sort of depends on what you mean by "a long time". Twenty minutes? That's fairly normal for a newer player clearing a high-sec site. Several hours? Yeah, we need to go over what you're doing in detail to find your problem.
Count of MonteCylon
Anti-Pirate Enforcement
#3 - 2012-12-11 01:38:00 UTC
As your skills increase you will be able to clear them out faster, and a cruiser is a lot more tanky than a destroyer. Also, a quickly-moving frigate should take less damage than a destroyer does from the batteries.

Also, since it's an anomaly, you don't actually have to clear everything, but you could fly away, snipe things with the destroyer as they fly towards you and then drag wrecks in with a tractor beam while staying out of battery range.

If you're using a catalyst then you would want railguns for this and not blasters. Hybrid weapons have a big difference in their various ranges and railguns have the longest range if memory serves.

For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. -- Ephesians 6:12

Kasbin
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2012-12-11 01:43:48 UTC
Lost Greybeard wrote:

A couple other things I picked up here:
-- "dropped my entire shield": Gallente are not really natural shield tanks, you'll generally want to do armor


I meant as soon as I finished warping in, the first few hits wiped out my shield and then into my armor. With my Catalyst it was able to tank it much longer while running armor repairer. I had to wrap out then back in a few times though.
Doddy
Excidium.
#5 - 2012-12-11 02:05:24 UTC
the sentry is quite high damage compared to the ships, so make sure you maintain transversal to it and kill it quick. If you are doing this it should barely hit you. Make sure you are tanking the right damage types (em and thermal). An imicus might struggle with these but a catalyst should burn through it quickly.

The reason they drop your shield so fast is that if you are armour tanking you will have zero em resist and minimal therm resist on shields which is the damage sanshas put out. Any laser using enemy will do this, it is no big deal your armour tanks lasers very well.

To get any helpful info you will need to post your fit. Properly fitted a catalyst has little problem here on any player over a few days old, but only if they are not missing something key. If you don't understand tanking specific resists, maintaining transversal or how to project damage from your guns now is the time to learn.
Doddy
Excidium.
#6 - 2012-12-11 02:09:33 UTC
Also the refuge is an anomally not a signature, it can be found by any ship using the on board scanner and does not require a probing ship like an imicus.
Kasbin
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2012-12-11 03:18:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Kasbin
Doddy wrote:
Properly fitted a catalyst has little problem here on any player over a few days old, but only if they are not missing something key. If you don't understand tanking specific resists, maintaining transversal or how to project damage from your guns now is the time to learn.


I'm probably just bad...have only really run the tutorial missions and some distribution quests. Do these scale if you bring someone with you as well?

Load out is an old Battle Clinic layout from back when there were drones in the Catalyst.

[Catalyst, Old Catalyst]
Small Armor Repairer I
Power Diagnostic System I
Empty

Small Shield Booster I
Cap Recharger I

Miner I
Light Ion Blaster I
Light Ion Blaster I
Light Ion Blaster I
Core Probe Launcher I
Salvager I
Empty
Empty

Empty
Empty
Empty
Doddy
Excidium.
#8 - 2012-12-11 12:58:52 UTC
Okay, lots of problems here :)

Refuge is not a signature, so probes etc are not needed and in any case it is usually best to change ships (or change mods on ships) from prober to combat ship to run sites, especially while your skills are low.

Never dual tank with both armour and shield reps, it is self defeating. Focus on one.

Never have empty slots if you can help it, especially not tanking slots.

Fit mods that boost resistance to the rats you will be facing.

If you are using short range blasters you need a propulsion mod (i.e. afterburner) to keep you in range of the enemy. If you don't have a prop mod you need long range weapons like rails.

salvager is a bit pointless, at this level salvage is worth very little and you can always refit to salvager and come back if you want.

Basically your catalyst needs a small rep, at least one if not 2 resist mods specific to the rats you will face (in this case em/therm), an afterburner and a set of guns (use electron blasters if you can fit a rack of ions). Any spare slots fit cap mods. If you can afford it fit either auxilliary nano pump rigs to boost reps or damage rigs.
Kasbin
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2012-12-11 13:05:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Kasbin
Doddy wrote:
Okay, lots of problems here :)


I figured as much when I got a warning from the battleclinic team... :(

Would you suggest something more like the mission basic one here? http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Catalyst
Doddy
Excidium.
#10 - 2012-12-11 14:47:23 UTC
Yes, though i would use some sort of damage specific hardening mod instead of the damage control if you know what sort of rat you will be facing. Against sansha for exmple use an armor thermic plating. Get rigs as well, they are great.
Gillia Winddancer
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2012-12-11 15:53:49 UTC
Don't bother with battleclinic for asking advice. That place is just for elitist e-peen addicts these days. The only thing you should use it for is looking up and comparing existing fits.

Everyone who's new messes around with fittings before they figure out what is what.
Tialano Utrigas
Running with Dogs
OnlyFleets.
#12 - 2012-12-11 16:52:08 UTC
Run a Google search for a program called EFT (Eve Fitting Tool).

You can play with fittings till your hearts content and get a rough idea what might work. Obviously you wont know what truely works until you dont get blown up.