EVE General Discussion

Remember the full room DIE DIE DIE problem is a (confirmed) bug, not design.

Why should a player do anything in this game except for what they enjoy? If you're sole purpose is to make isk, then it shouldn't matter how you do it, if what you enjoy is making isk. However, if it's too much of a chore, then obviously you're not enjoying yourself, so you should find something else to do. Unsub if you have to and find another game, but a lot of people threatening to do so are failing to realise that they are in a minority and nobody really cares.

The isk/reward ration for level 4s is, imo, better balanced now, but still a little weighty on the reward side. You might not have noticed this, but the select few who are extraneously vocal about how "hard" level fours are now are also in a minority. For the majority, level 4 missions haven't changed. My old corp, as carebear as they are, do quite well running level 4s. I run them with a mate with a squad setup we find quite effective at encouraging the AI not to aggro the drones. In short, we've had no worries, and we're still making plenty of isk. But that's not why I run level 4s. I run them because I enjoy shooting stuff.

And you expect me to take you as credible under the same conditions?

I've given you a heap of suggestions, and you've rejected them all outright. I'm pretty sure all you want is something to complain about. You're not interested in discussion whether it's credible or not, because my suggestions aren't the only ones you've outright rejected without even trying them out for yourself.

Don't talk to me about who's "credible" until you can prove your own credibility, as well. I have not once questioned your credibility, only you're willingness to learn. You keep claiming you are willing to learn? Prove it by trying out what's been suggested to you before outright rejecting the idea. I have a few other things we've tried and found very successful but been holding back for people who are actually willing to listen. You want me to share a fit? Why don't you at least pretend you're half interested in one first. Why don't you try one for yourself first, actually LOOK half competent instead of getting those that are competent to do it for you. No, you can't have my fits, and you can't have my better ideas until you actually come across as willing to try them. I won't waste my best material on ignorance.

And yet you outright rejected a half dozen suggestions. To get to a half dozen, you first have to go through 1, and you rejected the first one, so you were given more.

Go figure it out yourself. I don't care about your little problems.

I have been running missions with three pilots: Huginn, Oracle, Rattlesnake. The Oracle has about 960DPS, the Rattlesnake is at about 750DPS with T2 sentry drones, the Huginn is just painting and webbing. In this mix, the Rattlesnake gets the aggro. If the Rattler releases combat drones, they will get the aggro for a short while.

I wonder if there's a problem with the AI not prioritising sentry drones correctly?

Fair enough, thank you.


It was a viable mission ship pre-patch, and in fact each race had at least one battleship, that with modest skills and barely any skills at V could do L4s.

While the fully fit ship costing less than 200 Mill, insurance paying out half of it at least.

I'd like it if that option would not be taken away.

The isk they make would be sub-par, a new player just told us the story of how he soloed blockade in two hours (I did it pre patch in 20mins?), so the reward wouldn't be off balance, but it's still an awesome feel to be able to clear such a hurdle in a T1 ship, which is pretty much only ideal for these as far as hisec goes.

Anyone not a new player is probably better off looking for isk elsewhere.

> Proteus

Quite.

There is no such thing as a "newbie fit" for level 4 missions.

Newbies start at level 1.

Years of meta 4 fitted ravens / other ships beg to differ. The "Newbie" word has a context.

The Gallente WC used to be partly bugged. You could get full stage aggro just for warping in the 2nd room and then the DPS was survivable only with deadspace mods and a relevant amount of SP. Now I would not suggest anyone doing it.