EVE General Discussion

First, stop fixating on people putting things in your mouth, nobody wants to put anything in there.

Next, how can a predictable mission not be easy? When you know precisely the total DPS of the room, the incoming damage type, what the trigger is, distances between important objects, distance to the gate, etc. You do realize in most other games, even MMOs, quests are never this clearly defined. For one, quests tend to happen in "normal" space, with normal NPCs. You could be fighting a human NPC, only to have a pack of hungry wolves come at you from the bushes because you didn't see them coming. Or a patrol of other humans. Or both! When was the last time you were doing Angel Extravaganza and suddenly had a bunch of NPCs from Dread Pirate Scarlet show up and start shooting you? Oh, wait, never!

Oh, so AI can attack drones now? Solution? Don't use drones! If you stop and stay very, very quiet for a few seconds, you can actually HEAR most people cross-training into a Tengu right now. No drones? No change. We're back to pre-Retribution old-AI days. You are soloing the mission, there's no drones. Ta-da, you just completely nullified one of the expansion's features! Now, is that 'adapting' or is that 'stupid feature'? Probably both, actually. But the point is, the change was a stupid one.

And why does ANYTHING have to be a grind, where progress is already limited by real-time skill training? lol Seriously dude. Grinding as a mechanic is not needed in EVE at all, skill training takes care of all that. And if I wanted a mind-numbing grind, there's TONS of games out there that do it a whole lot better, from Aion and Tera onwards.



I disagree. Nothing that is predictable can be interesting when done more than once.

Case in point, have you tried to replay the same level of Max Payne 3, followed by replaying a mission of, for example, Far Cry 3? Huge difference. In MP3, the enemies would always be the same, and appear at the same spot, on queue. Turn the corner - guy in top right window with a pistol, shoot him, bottom-right corner doorway, guy with a shotgun, shoot him, crossing the courtyard guy with the SMG, etc. Always 100% predictable. Reload it 100 times, and it'll all be the same. Now, take FC3 - first time you try it, some wild dogs distracted some of the guards, and I knifed two of their snipers in the back before they even knew they were under attack. Second time, a jeep with NPCs came out of nowhere and spotted me and I died. See? Predictable, after you've done it enough times to know it, is never as good as unpredictable. Which is why boss fights in FC3 sucked, compared to FC1 and FC2 - they were quick-time events. You always press the same buttons in proper succession to win. Do it twice, and you probably can do it every other time afterwards with your eyes closed, using just one finger, and still win.

And the whole "AFK my lvl 4 missions" is a cop-out argument and you know it. I hope... Vast majority of lvl 4 missions couldn't be done fully AFK. Or even semi-AFK, as drones would kill triggers and new waves would spawn and target and take out drones. There were places where AFKing in a drone boat did work, but most lvl 4 missions weren't part of those. Some were (off the top of my head, Duo of Death was dead easy AFK mission, 2 targets in total), but interestingly enough those were better done while at the keyboard, to wrap them up quicker.

When you take someone else's words out of context and decide for them what they meant, it is rude and obnoxious. If you don't want me to make a point of your obnoxiousness, then don't be a jerk. Also, at this point, saying things like this is just trolling.



How can a predictable racetrack not be easy? Same thing. Just because something is predictable, doesn't mean it's easy. Doesn't mean it should be easy, either. You know you've got a maths test coming, you know what it's going to be about, and you've studied for it, but it doesn't mean it's going to be easy.

Anyway, I don't care much for reading any more walls of text. I don't care anymore. I'm handling it all just fine, no Tengu, still using drones, and everything else is the delusion and the excuses used to justify a range of cognitive dissonances of people who are just crap at eve and won't admit it or ask for help, or can't handle actually having to, you know, actually play the game for their income. That's my conclusion. Don't like it? I don't care. I'm doing fine. And I've only got 12 mil SP so what does that say about the people that have more? And FYI, people are complaining about the missions being too hard, that is what is going on. Just one more thing, though...



So you're still a virgin then? Nothing wrong with that, but there is plenty of stuff that can still be enjoyed even if it's repetitive and predictable.

And FYI, if you're using Caldari ships, why don't you make use of your own EWAR and hit the AI with ECM? I do it frequently and get successful jams often. They can't damp you if they can't target you. Try thinking of solutions instead of just whining about any perceived problems.

But you lot are absolutely insatiable. You come on here and complain, get offered a solution, then complain some more without even trying it out. One guy thanked me for telling him about the new skills, but said he wasn't sure it would work but would try them anyway. That guy is going to develop far better in EVE than anyone else whining on this thread, because he's trying new things. Like it or not, the game has changed, and trying new things until you find what works for you is a necessary step to being successful. Or, you can stunt yourself by just whining about the changes and doing nothing towards adapting to them.

I am noticing a trend: there are those in EVE willing to give new ideas a go, even if they are doubtful. Those are the people who make the innovative player content we see coming out of Goonswarm and many others. Then there are those who learn from the innovators, and make rapid progress as a result. Then there are those that just whine about it all and sit stagnant running missions or mining ice forever more, contributing very little to EVE. Unfortunately, it is this last group that is in a majority, which is why the forums are ablaze with such whining about the changes right now.

But while you're in here whining, others are out there doing. And we're doing just fine.

Hey you wasted 100 pages across multiple forums rebutting people who did not even ask your opinion, and for once somebody asks you a straight question you surrender?

Basic Maelstrom with 800mm, XL shield booster and hardeners, all low slots busy with gyrostabs / tracking enhancers (else it won't hit anything). Where the heck do I put the 2-3 SEBOs needed for the damp missions? Plus possibly an EWAR to aggro the frigates of course.

Do I need to make a little drawing?

There you go with your silly exaggerations again. Please link all 100 pages on which I've appeared in this thread, and used the entire page. Thanks. While you're at it.... I don't remember anyone asking for your opinion, either, yet you felt free to express it. Why should the same standards not apply to everyone? I'm not surrendering, honestly, but it would be more productive of me to tell all this to a brick wall. So I'm bowing out, because I have better things to do with my time than waste it on pubbies.

Also, I saw someone mentioning fitting smaller guns and smaller T1 drones earlier, as I've done in the past - I hear they hit small targets just fine.

Also, if you want to draw me a picture, that would be awesome. No one has drawn me pictures since kindergarten... it would be kinda nostalgic.

Honestly, it would be nice to see this thread get locked, because it's just not going anywhere and people obviously just don't like change or trying new things. You aren't going to learn anything, you don't really want to learn anything, you just want it to be easy again.

Smaller guns, to which the ship has no bonus to. Smaller guns, that make the dps drop like an anvil in the ocean. Smaller guns, that make the isk efficiency so bad, you would be better off with 8 mining turrets hunting for veldspar.
While he/she does that, could you post a viable T1 missioning ship with 2-3 SeBos and/or EWAR that regularly hit enough targets to nulify/dampen the incoming dampening to where you can in fact target a dampening BS orbiting at 50km, or just a cruiser orbiting at 30?
I'm fairly convinced it's doable now as well as far the AI goes. If there is one point I agree with, is that folk need to learn new things and try and improve every once in a while.
Now, with the EWAR BUG, the full room agro BUG, and the rest, they make learning like sandpaper instead of lube.
And naturally missions being redone to be like the sleeper WH (amount of enemies, rewards) and not just bolt the AI to them like minmatar bolt their ships together and then stick guns to them with duct tape... that would have been nice.
Most excellent!

Welcome to miners 11 months ago. Makes me wonder how hard these people would cry if we ever decided to run a gank campain on them. I am ever more tempted to go number crunching to see if we could turn a profit on mission boats.

Lol, I left Austrollia because I got a better offer. Waiting for it to process at the moment. Now I know what your problem is, though - you like to jump to conclusions before you've established the facts. Just like declaring "it won't work" before you've even tried it.

Oh, and by the way, it's not a big bounty. 10 mil is pittance, and all you're really worth. You should see mine

I'm glad we both agree that you are a troll.

About declaring "it won't work"...
You didn't constructively reply to my ECM comment, here's a more in depth commentery on why SeBos won't reliably work all the time (ignoring the fact of how many slots it costs):

I have a screenshot, on which my Domi has a locking range of ~9km, and a sensor resolution of 12mn (just for comparison, a Ragnarok Titan has 50 before skills, and gets it up to 62, which is over 5 times as much...).
Fitting one range-scripted SeBo, I'd get something like 15km, and with another one 23km, but still keep the 12mn resolution (lock time of well over a minute on frigates if I recall correctly).
... There were less than half of the dampening cruisers (all the same name) applying their damps to me at the screenshot's taking...

I hastily jump to conclusions saying it wouldn't work.
Please prove me wrong with a video made after the change, with one toon not in fleet, and no player on grid, with circumstances like the one I described.
Oh, and it should be a fit that still makes sense as opposed to running level 3 missions with a hilariously overganked ASB Hurricane or Oracle or the like.

Did I say that? I don't remember saying that. Must be another one of your delusions where you tell people what they were saying and agreeing with. I'm sure it works just fine in your head, using it as a justification for your ignorance and self-assured narcissism, but out here in the real world, you don't get to decide what other people are saying or agreeing with. All you're demonstrating is that you're either a troll yourself, or too stupid to understand the meaning in someone else's words.

I've already asked you to stop putting words in my mouth. Your persistence in doing so seems to be an attempt to get a reaction out of me, therefore I think you'll find it is you who is trolling.

Now, you're welcome to try the things suggested to you (Baltec's is a good one) or continue to complain. The ball's in your court how you proceed. But the AI has been set up this way for a few reasons, not the least of which was the exasperant isk generation from people soloing level 4s in high sec. The original solution was to move them out of high sec altogether. You should be relieved that lvl4s stayed in high sec, and counting your fortunes instead of whining about the compromise that was made instead to keep them in high sec and simultaneously reduce the isk generation that was taking place.

Best solution: start running level 4s in small fleets. Me and a mate have been doing it in pairs. Not gonna give you the details, because you're obviously not actually willing to try anything different, but needless to say we have worked out how to do it with little effort every time, just two of us. No proteus, no tengu, not even any T2. And we still use drones which with our method, hardly ever even take aggro.