EVE General Discussion

Because NPCs care how far away you are before targetting/relocking....

People, it is simple.

CCP is very aware of the impact these changes have had on the game.
I , among many others, tested this AI on Duality and screamed at the top of lungs at Fox Four in the test thread about how awful this was going to be.

CCP released the code anyway, with a promise to make it even harder.
They plan on fixing the loophole where an NPC spawn that is on the field when you release a flight of drones will ignore the 2nd and subsequent flights of drones. After that loophole is closed, the NPC's will target any flight of drones.

The post-release issues thread is now 62 pages long, and while there have been multiple replies by devs about all sorts of issues, you can do your own investigation on how many times the dev's have commented about this. You will be very disappointed.

So it comes down to this. CCP will do one of the following:

a. Roll this back (not a chance of that happening).
b. Turn the aggression way way down on the new slider, and not close the loophole.
c. Turn the aggression way way down on the new slider, yet close the loophole, which still dooms all drone users, but not all mission runners.
d. Introduce a separate slider for null sec, and lower the aggression on that slider, but leave the slider for high sec at gonzo levels. The only way we will know if this option is chosen is if the null sec PvE'ers suddenly stop complaining.
e. Do nothing more at all, effectively wiping out many forms of PVE income.

I did run a few mission after the release in an Ishtar using the loophole, but it is just too painful to do on a regular basis.
Until CCP tells us what they are planning on doing, or NOT doing if they choose option e, I for one, am just cooling my jets in station, maybe running the odd Incursion.

I have a decent pile of cash from my null sec days to tide me over for awhile.
I am truly sorry for the people who don't have that luxury.

One last thing, for the deniers and propagandists, I also tested the new AI on Duality in a Vargur.
For all the reasons posted a dozen times about no drones left, and NPC frigs under BS guns, I ask you to post a link to You Tube of you running Buzzkill in a BS gun boat, or a drone boat.
Or WC Serps, Angels, or Sansha room 2 in a drone boat.
Or any number of other missions that people have detailed here.

I am trying, the insane EWAR and full room aggro is a facet of the new AI - bugged or not.


There have been a few particularly vicious side effects of the drone change - a change which is actually perfectly manageable in isolation i.e. when the rest of the AI doesn't go psycho.

Sorry, they are too busy deriding the other players on the forum to have actually logged on and seen.

I can't see how that is in any way relevant to AI changes.

And you think you should shred your way through entire npc fleets with no effort?

Many other people have adapted to these changes, if you cant then bring a friend on the missions you cant figure out.

And your sound like the whines from miners about tanking their ships. Very well for damps use a blaster boat.

What a shock, yet another bear dismissing advice without even trying it and then insulting the person trying to help them. Also what the hell have you done yo your ship to get the locking time of a titan?

Even more shocking a Suicide Ganker giving advice on how to run missions in high sec. Troll much???

You try to lock a frigate with 10 NPC cruisers damping you and you'll see how hard it is to lock.

I am sure you are an expert on ganking defenseless ships so perhaps you should post where your expertise is welcome. C & P

Yes, that was before the AI changes.

Before full room aggro on warp in.
Before 8-10 ships damp you constantly.


That is the point, the side effect of the AI change has been to put NPC EWAR on steroids, when coupled with full room aggro at warp in, it is disproportionately silly. Previously you had specific groups and sporadic damping.