Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Yes, we want Jukebox back! Eve music may not be "good" music, but it is so appropriate for floating through space that I love it! Also, don't want to be bothered with other players. Why remove the choice? Come on CCP bring it back!

Signed.

Please bring the Jukebox back to us

Names of signatures have been added to the first post and will be updated daily.

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Yes please bring back the Jukebox. I had some nice Electronica Playlists, EVE music is fabulous but does become tedious after 1000 hours plus played. The ability to import and control playlists in game, without having to Alt-Tab out, or use mapped buttons would be awesome. Not entirely convinced as to why you got rid of it in the 1st place.

I sign this petition,
it is so different to let you choose your music while playing ...

/signed
I miss my music

49 signatures so far, doing good!

Spread the word people, I dont know when we're going to get a response but with more people signing then its more and more likely :)

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CCP where are you we need jukeboxes, make it a market item or something but we need them !

I would like to post a decent response to you since people seem to only mock you and you also ignore responses so i'll go with arguments that counter yours. Don't take this post as a i'm not with you so i won't read it. Try to read it and understand it. Also good arguments go a long way, if you had better you might have gotten more votes. Sometimes when you research for better arguments you gather enough information that you can change your opinion on your own because while researching you you learned to better understand the situation.

New Music Style

-As with any Art form Music is a matter of taste, just because you don't like Metallica doesn't mean they have to stop singing rock. You are free to listen to whatever genre you like. Most people in EvE play it without sound. And like everyone else chose to listen to what they want on a music player like everyone else in this world.
-It would be impossible to know what music everyone is in the mood to listen to so i think this is a pretty irrelevant statement.

Removal of Access

-It is not always about visible gain and not always about your gain. EvE has to cater to many players doing many things in many ways, not all changes have to give you a gain at all times, people have to strike balance.

-The Jukebox was outdated and you think it should be resolved. As will all code in eve it has to be maintained. If you think this was such a tiny task, you are free to volunteer to CCP to maintain the code for the jukebox for no money, and also cover any problems caused from malfunctioning code by the jukebox from you own pocked. No? Didn't think so.

-Just for clarification the JukeBox was never there to give you the freedom to listen to whatever in-game music you want whenever you want. So please don't argument something that was not existing in the first place. The JukeBox was implemented because it was a trend back in the day when lots of other games like GTA for example could have fed your own mp3's. Also good media players were scarce. The fact that eve did not really have any proper music and just a few tracks thrown in a player that was meant for another purpose simply lead to a consequence by witch you could chose what you wanted to listen to. So it is a byproduct not a intent of the JukeBox.

Limiting Innovation

- You hit the nail on the head without knowing. Why fix something that was meant for a purpose that does not exist anymore? Why waste dev time when they can be spending it designing new ships or coding new fixes? The innovation is in but you fail to see it, like with all change resistance is expected sound and music now have a purpose where previously there was none. you should feel happy. You can always download the track-list from eve website and put it in an external player and you have your eve experience back without causing problems for everyone else in eve or the development team. No hard done but you really want to not even make that 2 minute effort.

-You say you like the sound effect and immersion. For those to exist they have to be created and molded into an experience by a designer, sound composer etc. if you have a jukebox that you play whatever you want in it that is not experience nor immersion because it was not mastered or designed by anyone to match anything in game its just a guy listening to music. So please don't use words that have different meaning than what you think, just for the wow factor.

Resources Concerns
-There is no proof that an external player is more resource hungry then the in-game jukebox in fact there are more reasons to think that an outdated player is not using resources more efficient then an up to date player that has thousands of man-hours of development work invested in optimization. So your resource and memory intensive point is wrong.
-You should be expected to fire up a music player to listen to music like everyone else and not use an in-game outdated un-maintained media player to listen to music. Might be time for you to update yourself to the latest technology available. Get in trend with today's standards.
-Also i want to see you run eve at a decent playable frame-rate on a machine that has problems running a mp3 player at this point you sir need a hardware upgrade badly. But i have yet to see a machine that can run EvE at a playable frame-rate to be unable to run a mp3 player, and as i mentioned before you might even get better performance from the client by not having the jukebox and by using and external more optimized memory friendly mp3 player.


Other
-A 32 jump travel is not suppose to showcase CCP's full arsenal of sound effects and in-game music. Your statement is just ridiculous. If EvE was that shallow nobody would play it today, not even you.

My Point
- I am a programmer myself so compared to you i can truly grasp the idea behind code simplification. I can also see the bigger picture and even if you do not understand or see it now in the long run you will benefit from the extra development time saved from not having to maintain the JukeBox code in the form of more fixe's/ updates/ content/ music.
- Before refusing alternatives make sure here like always in life to make informed choices and not move like sheep to what others say. So give it a try, use winamp. But give it a real try not 5 minutes. Give it a month and if you are still unsatisfied then you will most likely have more and better arguments to put in and maybe you can convince me to agree with you.

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Not only is it relevant it forms one of the major points of my argument.

The ability to chose what songs I listen to is something that I enjoy and think is, although not critical to the game as a whole, an important and enjoyable aspect which aids in bringing the game together. To put it bluntly, does the absence of the Jukebox stop me from enjoying the game? Yes it does. Not enough to quit over it - but enough for it to spur me into speaking out.

Some people don't mind the Jukebox missing, some do. Why should those that do keep quiet? Visible gain or personal gain the ability to control the music via a gui is a gain regardless.

No of course not - but I am not a paid employee of CCP. I, like all of us that sub in this game, pay EvE to enjoy it, not build it. I have my opinions on what could be improved and make the game better - and this is one of them. It is my 'right' as a patron of CCP and this game, to voice my opinions.

The Jukebox however did exist. Regardless of what it was there to do or not in the eyes of the original developer, it was provided with a shuttle feature, volume control, and you could import playlists. And that is what I argue for.

This is a code fix.

The purpose remains, all that has happened is that the gui for the Jukebox has been removed and certain arguments detail when and what will be played. I want that control back in the hands of the players.




What dictates or aids in my immersion is different from your own. Whether it was designed or mastered to match anything in the game is not relevant when it is able to do so regardless. The music does immerse me and others when we are playing EvE. The problem is that with the removal of the Jukebox that immersion is broken when performing certain actions in-game.
EvE is already producing music. I do not believe in the slightest that using a gui increases the resources usage of EvE by any noticable amount. But running another program which has create and play music through another channel - that does use more resources. Especially running a browser and playing songs of soundcloud.

My gaming desktop runs multiple clients on high settings without any issues.
My laptop however cannot do both and achieve a decent frame-rate within EvE. I travel a lot.

Your profession background has nothing to do in this circumstance - I enjoy this feature, and I will argue over it.
The fact is that EvE still plays music. It still plays the same songs, just at set times and when certain actions are performed. Will those sections of the code need to be updated as patches are released? Of course, as certain game mechanics change they will need to be updated.
But if EvE is still playing music, then it still has the ability to play music files in the same way that it did before. The output is still exactly the same, we hear music when in EvE. A gui, one which already exists, is all thats lacking.

By the way, I have used Winamp for a decade. No joke - It's my all time favorite music player when you use it with the Enhancer 017 plugin. I also like to use WMP as it binds with my X4 nicely.

All I am arguing for is for a feature that already exists in the game to be restored.