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Why don't NPC ships attempt to pod players?
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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#61 - 2012-12-08 18:12:26 UTC
Kitty Bear wrote:


you need to make your mind up over what your actual complaint is
because all of a sudden, your objective categories changed, between posts
from 1 item of objection to a completely different one.



Weekend alcohol-fueled forum posting will make one do that. Smile

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Reaver Glitterstim
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#62 - 2012-12-08 18:15:42 UTC
Kitty Bear wrote:
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
CCP showed stats that indicated that an increase in high sec mining has lead to a reduction in high end mineral prices.

Why would you go to low sec to mine minerals you can get in high sec with next to noless risk?



but thier mining ships can be blown up .. there is plenty of risk.

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Natsett Amuinn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#63 - 2012-12-08 18:16:21 UTC
Kitty Bear wrote:


but thier mining ships can be blown up .. there is plenty of risk.

CCP themselves indicated that there has been an increase in mining activety and volume in high sec due to the added safety from the barge and exhumer buffs, on top of the AFK friendliness of the bay changes.

They themselves contribute SAFETY as being the primary motivator for driving down the value of high end ores.

The distribution is intended, and the results are attributed to safety and not a correlation in distribution.


CCP's own data says the complete opposite of what your're saying.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#64 - 2012-12-08 18:17:20 UTC
Aaaanyway, the answer is simple: because poddings are such potentially severe setbacks that they're only meant to happen at the hands of other players. We are supposed to be the greatest risk to ourselves, not the game.
Ocih
Space Mermaids
#65 - 2012-12-08 18:18:01 UTC
High sec is not safe. It's not about risk, it's about profit.

Most of low and often null is profit averse. Risk is an optic that occurs when someone else is in the same spot as you.

You aren't at risk if you are sitting in a null system in a Hulk when a red shows up. You are done. Turning high sec in to everyone dock up and ninja mine doesn't make EVE a bigger risk. It just slows it down to a snails pace.
Natsett Amuinn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#66 - 2012-12-08 18:19:24 UTC
Ocih wrote:


Most of low and often null is profit averse...

You sound credible.
Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
#67 - 2012-12-08 18:30:16 UTC
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
True, but it takes a little bit of understanding those basic mechanics to end up sitting in a belt shooting an asteroid with the right laser, in a .7 or below system.

It takes less than 9 days to train for a retriever with 2 strip miner I and a small shield booster.

Natsett Amuinn wrote:
I'm pretty sure if CCP released the number of barges and exhumers destroyed by belt rats in a high sec system it would be small enough to label as insignificant.

True. Since the buff it is hard to loose even a retriever.

Remove standings and insurance.
Ocih
Space Mermaids
#68 - 2012-12-08 18:31:16 UTC
Another optic and aspect of mining that players got wrong is the optic of rare.

Zydrine isn't rare. It has a low demand.

750K Zydrine in a Nyx.
1 billion trit in a Nyx.

Yes, it's rare but you don't need a lot of it. Over mining Zydrine "shouldn't" make you rich. It should make your assets top heavy. Null miners who are able to mine Zydrine and Morphite are also able to mine trit and Pyerite. They chose not to. Why? Not risk, they took the "risk" to mine the Zydrine. Why not take the risk to mine the Trit? Profit.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#69 - 2012-12-08 18:45:18 UTC
Ocih wrote:
Another optic and aspect of mining that players got wrong is the optic of rare.

Zydrine isn't rare. It has a low demand.

750K Zydrine in a Nyx.
1 billion trit in a Nyx.

Yes, it's rare but you don't need a lot of it. Over mining Zydrine "shouldn't" make you rich. It should make your assets top heavy. Null miners who are able to mine Zydrine and Morphite are also able to mine trit and Pyerite. They chose not to. Why? Not risk, they took the "risk" to mine the Zydrine. Why not take the risk to mine the Trit? Profit.


yeah and guess how much m3 of ore is needed to get that 750K zydrine and that 1 billion trit

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Reaver Glitterstim
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#70 - 2012-12-09 05:43:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Reaver Glitterstim
Andski wrote:
Ocih wrote:
Another optic and aspect of mining that players got wrong is the optic of rare.

Zydrine isn't rare. It has a low demand.

750K Zydrine in a Nyx.
1 billion trit in a Nyx.

Yes, it's rare but you don't need a lot of it. Over mining Zydrine "shouldn't" make you rich. It should make your assets top heavy. Null miners who are able to mine Zydrine and Morphite are also able to mine trit and Pyerite. They chose not to. Why? Not risk, they took the "risk" to mine the Zydrine. Why not take the risk to mine the Trit? Profit.


yeah and guess how much m3 of ore is needed to get that 750K zydrine and that 1 billion trit

4,528,000m3 of crokite will yield just over 750,000 units of zydrine, along with 374,692 units of tritanium. That leaves 999,625,308 tritanium, or 33,287,545.8m3 of veldspar.

crokite--: ||||||||||||||||||
veldspar: |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||

No wonder veldspar mining is so profitable.

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Johan Civire
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#71 - 2012-12-09 16:53:02 UTC
Funky Lazers wrote:
Mr Epeen wrote:
Because then EVE would actually be the harsh place place that CCP are trying to tell us it is and everyone would quit.

Mr Epeen Cool


It is harsh enough so people start quitting because of NPC AI change.

I predict CCP goes bankrupt if NPCs could pod players.


Perhaps but the dont belong here then. This is not world of warcraft or iam looking in the wrong game now.
Natsett Amuinn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#72 - 2012-12-09 17:05:44 UTC
Ocih wrote:


Yes, it's rare but you don't need a lot of it. Over mining Zydrine "shouldn't" make you rich. It should make your assets top heavy. Null miners who are able to mine Zydrine and Morphite are also able to mine trit and Pyerite. They chose not to. Why? Not risk, they took the "risk" to mine the Zydrine. Why not take the risk to mine the Trit? Profit.

That's like saying gold is rare, but you shouldn't get rich mining it because there's a lot more copper available to mine.

Ore distribution doesn't allow for your logic.