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Pretty GuyYeah
#1 - 2012-12-08 22:10:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Pretty GuyYeah
I have not played EVE for long, but one thing this community has showed me is that 'adapt' in the EVE dictionary means "Don't use" or "Re-skill" whereas new players would think you'd simply have to change the way you play in the same role.

For instance with the Retribution patch, where the NPC AI has been 'improved' (raise in difficulty for smaller boats and drone boats, since drones are pretty damn small)

Now, there has been no change to drones itself. They have not become stronger, the price is much the same, we have not gotten more space for them and nor do we have a revamped drone system where our drone utility core is larger. We can still only deploy and attack or return them to bay and not do any damage at all.

Clearly this is not beneficial for anyone. Apart from null bears of course who love to see the nerf bat hit other players.

It is not beneficial to anyone because it does not change our play, it only ruins it for those who do not have a strong enough drone boat and now can't use it or have to wait even longer time to invest more SP into it so that they may use it again.

WHAT WE NEED

Drone users need a compensation for the changes made in Retribution.

This compensation doesn't have to be a buff in drones' attributes or the drone boats' drone capacity. But what it HAS to be, is that so we can actually DO something to adapt. AKA the real definition of the word.

You have given us NOTHING TO DO TO ADAPT, since the drone system is the very same it always has been.

REVAMP IT SO WE CAN ACTUALLY ADAPT AND PLAY DIFFERENTLY

Returning the drones to bay and leave them there is just as stupid of an answer as to turn of missle modules so that they don't take damage in the given case rats could target those.

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Thank you,
Pretty GuyYeah

Post with your main.

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Some Rando
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2012-12-08 22:13:14 UTC
HAHA, look at you posting.

CCP has no sense of humour.
Frozen Eddie Johnson
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#3 - 2012-12-08 22:13:35 UTC
Pretty GuyYeah wrote:
I have not played EVE for long, but one thing this community has showed me is that 'adapt' in the EVE dictionary means "Don't use" or "Re-skill" whereas new players would think you'd simply have to change the way you play in the same role.

For instance with the Retribution patch, where the NPC AI has been 'improved' (raise in difficulty for smaller boats and drone boats, since drones are pretty damn small)

Now, there has been no change to drones itself. They have not become stronger, the price is much the same, we have not gotten more space for them and nor do we have a revamped drone system where our drone utility core is larger. We can still only deploy and attack or return them to bay and not do any damage at all.

Clearly this is not beneficial for anyone. Apart from null bears of course who love to see the nerf bat hit other players.

It is not beneficial to anyone because it does not change our play, it only ruins it for those who do not have a strong enough drone boat and now can't use it or have to wait even longer time to invest more SP into it so that they may use it again.

WHAT WE NEED

Drone users need a compensation for the changes made in Retribution.

This compensation doesn't have to be a buff in drones' attributes or the drone boats' drone capacity. But what it HAS to be, is that so we can actually DO something to adapt. AKA the real definition of the word.

You have given us NOTHING TO DO TO ADAPT, since the drone system is the very same it always has been.

REVAMP IT SO WE CAN ACTUALLY ADAPT AND PLAY DIFFERENTLY

Returning the drones to bay and leave them there is just as stupid of an answer as to turn of missle modules so that they don't take damage in the given case rats could target those.

///

Thank you,
Pretty GuyYeah


That's pretty much what "adapt" means here, because CCP takes 6 months to a year to kinda sorta fix what they break.
Pretty GuyYeah
#4 - 2012-12-08 22:17:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Pretty GuyYeah
Frozen Eddie Johnson wrote:

That's pretty much what "adapt" means here, because CCP takes 6 months to a year to kinda sorta fix what they break.



Thus why I urge CCP to do something about it by posting this thread.

I for one have played this game for a little more than a month, training only for a good drone boat and drones. Now, this is my experience of EVE. Retribution hits and I have to 'adapt'. Aka, I need to start all over again and seek a new blessing somewhere else in the game.

Since CCP offered no re-skill I have two options;

1) Start completely over

2) Wait half a year before I can get into a decent drone boat so I may also play the game

And the third option that null bears give me;

3) Return my drones to bay and let the rats kill me

Post with your main.

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#5 - 2012-12-08 22:25:34 UTC
Pretty GuyYeah wrote:
I have not played EVE for long, but one thing this community has showed me is that 'adapt' in the EVE dictionary means "Don't use" or "Re-skill" whereas new players would think you'd simply have to change the way you play in the same role.

For instance with the Retribution patch, where the NPC AI has been 'improved' (raise in difficulty for smaller boats and drone boats, since drones are pretty damn small)
…and as luck would have it, adapting to the new AI doesn't mean not using the old stuff or reskilling. It means using different, well-known tactics to wave a red sheet in front of the AI. At most, it require the most insignificant “re-skill” in the sense that you need one or two additional pieces of equipment, but it's not a re-skill in the sense of replacing the old with something new you have to train for.

Quote:
WHAT WE NEED
Not much in terms of equipment, beyond what's already in the game. At most a different approach to aggro management.
Mars Theran
Foreign Interloper
#6 - 2012-12-08 22:48:51 UTC
Adapt also means changing your tactics. It's not just about re-skilling or re-shipping, but changing the way you approach something. 
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Pretty GuyYeah
#7 - 2012-12-08 22:53:11 UTC
Mars Theran wrote:
Adapt also means changing your tactics. It's not just about re-skilling or re-shipping, but changing the way you approach something.


Try to read the thread

Post with your main.

A legend walks among us, a genius so significant he so dares to degrade himself as camouflage when you dispute.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#8 - 2012-12-08 22:54:48 UTC
Pretty GuyYeah wrote:
Mars Theran wrote:
Adapt also means changing your tactics. It's not just about re-skilling or re-shipping, but changing the way you approach something.

Try to read the thread

The thread doesn't change anything about what he said. You can adapt to the new AI without re-skilling or changing ships.
Darth Gustav
Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting
#9 - 2012-12-08 22:55:40 UTC
Pretty GuyYeah wrote:
I have not played EVE for long, but one thing this community has showed me is that 'adapt' in the EVE dictionary means "Don't use" or "Re-skill" whereas new players would think you'd simply have to change the way you play in the same role.

For instance with the Retribution patch, where the NPC AI has been 'improved' (raise in difficulty for smaller boats and drone boats, since drones are pretty damn small)

Now, there has been no change to drones itself. They have not become stronger, the price is much the same, we have not gotten more space for them and nor do we have a revamped drone system where our drone utility core is larger. We can still only deploy and attack or return them to bay and not do any damage at all.

Clearly this is not beneficial for anyone. Apart from null bears of course who love to see the nerf bat hit other players.

It is not beneficial to anyone because it does not change our play, it only ruins it for those who do not have a strong enough drone boat and now can't use it or have to wait even longer time to invest more SP into it so that they may use it again.

WHAT WE NEED

Drone users need a compensation for the changes made in Retribution.

This compensation doesn't have to be a buff in drones' attributes or the drone boats' drone capacity. But what it HAS to be, is that so we can actually DO something to adapt. AKA the real definition of the word.

You have given us NOTHING TO DO TO ADAPT, since the drone system is the very same it always has been.

REVAMP IT SO WE CAN ACTUALLY ADAPT AND PLAY DIFFERENTLY

Returning the drones to bay and leave them there is just as stupid of an answer as to turn of missle modules so that they don't take damage in the given case rats could target those.

///

Thank you,
Pretty GuyYeah

Drone Damage Amplifiers received a healthy bufrf in the recent expansion, so your whole post is nothing but misinformation.

We were given a drone damage buff by way of amplifier modules to compensate.

HTFU.

He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom
baltec1
Bat Country
The Initiative.
#10 - 2012-12-08 22:55:46 UTC
Took all of 10 seconds to figure out how not to lose my drones. Adapting does not mean whining to CCP to change something for you.
Wacktopia
Fleet-Up.com
Keep It Simple Software Group
#11 - 2012-12-08 22:55:58 UTC
Pretty sure someone at CCP said that the AI attacks the drones but not at the same rate that Sleepers would.

So, how about stick a medium remote armor/shield repper in one of your mission boat highs to rep and damaged drones or simply return them if they take agro and re-launch?

I ran L4's for a while to make ISK earlier in my EVE career and it used to drive me nuts how repetitive and simple the missions were.

Kitchen sink? Seriousy, get your ship together -  Fleet-Up.com
Dark Long
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#12 - 2012-12-08 22:57:24 UTC
Adapt all cover not the char skills but how the player skill as well before the ai missions were boring and outdated the ai change made it fun again.

Before the ai change drones boats were know for taking argo set drones to auto argo and then walk way from there comptuer. well they cant do that now they have really play there ship and get used to the idea npc change target no more afk mission isk.

Deal with it move on learn how to play Pretty GuyYeah you said you got a month in game you not skill in game or as a player to even speak on this now to handle the new ai let alone the game as a whole.

the older player base knows how to handle the new ai my mains have run countless level 4 after the patch and i have lost one drone. so what that tell you. It tells me i know how to handle my drones and the new ai. Player that fight sleeper know all to well how to handle the new ai easy.

A month in game your a rookie without a clue to what your talking about when you have more then 6 month training and play time then you can talk about the new ai. My alts are 08 toons and i have been playing that long the new ai is nothing other then a afk mission runners nightmare on crack no more afk mission running no more afk plexing in a carrier. ccp change the ai because of afk mission/plex runners and glad ccp made this change that and level 4's are fun again for now.
ISD Cura Ursus
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#13 - 2012-12-08 23:03:10 UTC
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