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welcome to my hell.

10 isk says it becomes an "extenuating circumstance" and they get their alliance back.

Try it on Buckingham. You might be surprised.

The chance of this happening is pretty close to 100%. Got to grant special protections to groups that CCP likes.

Even another alliance couldn't get this from the devs.

I'm really curious what will happen next !

So an update on what we're seeing so far:

1.) We're not sure if the situation has been fixed.

2.) Wars that are set mutual by the defender can start a 24hr retraction by the aggressor. We set all our wars unmutual right before the expansion to avoid this (and rightfully so, a dropped corp experienced 74 retractions in under 8hrs by staying mutual)

3.) No wars against Dec Shield have ended in the past 48hrs (by random distribution of our 286 wars around 81 should have naturally ended by now), so something is going on

4.) We proposed a new method of maintaining infinite war by a repeating multi-day staggered sequence of dropping corps out of alliance and rejoining a few days later to restore any dropped wars. Under the old rules this would have been effective because the start date of wars were set fresh when a corp joined/left an alliance. Two devs have sworn this is fixed, but not how they fixed it. Our proposed fix was to inherit the start date from the parent war when making a copy to prevent the 7 day extensions.

5.) Corps dropping out of an alliance still do not inherit the start dates of their parent wars. Because of the dev insistence that this loophole won't work we've concluded that all wars have a hidden end-date that isn't visible to the players. It is possible that copied wars now inherit this hidden end-date timer from the parent wars. Thus it's very possible the loophole is closed and we won't know until it's too late.

6.) But using evidence from point 3 above, something has changed with wardec mechanics. Or it's a "feature" we never knew about before because we had never unmutualed wars. As I said, we should of had 81 retractions by now and we've had none. Therefore we've come to believe that the act of unmutualing a war sets the hidden end-date timer back by at least 48hrs (probably 7 days). Therefore, since it's possible to instantly mutual/unmutual a war we've begun tests along these lines to see if unmutualing extends the end-date. We will know for sure in 5 days the results of these tests.

So nobody really understands the "simple wardec mechanisms introduced in Inferno/Retribution".

We're still investigating whether or not it's fixed. I could use information from our trapped people:

What timestamp is your bill set for these entities?

Dec Shield
Wardec Flopper
Wardec Flipper
Wardec Flapper
Zerg Hatchery
RvB - Red Federation

That seems to be when the notifications were sent out. What's the timestamp of when the bill is set for?

Found the due dates, my bad:

Dec Shield: 2012.12.11 05:16
Wardec Flipper: 2012.12.11 05:16
Zerg Hatchery: 2012.12.11 03:29
RvB - Red Federation: 2012.12.11 05:16
Wardec Flapper: *war not listed in bills*
Wardec Flopper: *war not listed in bills*