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So what's the most important change since September?
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Amarra Mandalin
DYVANAKH HOLE
#1 - 2012-12-04 12:26:36 UTC

Until I read 40 hours of worthy material written during my Eve hiatus, what's the most important thing to know before jumping into a PvP or PvE ship these days. Useful information on mechanics/politics/ships and humorous trolls welcome...TIA.



Ammzi
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#2 - 2012-12-04 12:28:38 UTC
Retribution is probably the most important change to PVP since September by far.
All those revamped ships
Misanth
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
#3 - 2012-12-04 12:32:14 UTC
Amarra Mandalin wrote:
humorous trolls


What about those humerus trolls? Trying to keep them at an arms length?

AFK-cloaking in a system near you.
Amarra Mandalin
DYVANAKH HOLE
#4 - 2012-12-04 12:40:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Amarra Mandalin
Ammzi wrote:
Retribution is probably the most important change to PVP since September by far.
All those revamped ships


Probably priority one to read, I just didn't want to cry...just yet.

RE: humerus trolls -- Eve forums are worth the sub price, no? Blink
Qvar Dar'Zanar
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#5 - 2012-12-04 12:42:46 UTC
Regular rats now get a semi-sleeper AI.
Misanth
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
#6 - 2012-12-04 12:43:12 UTC
Amarra Mandalin wrote:
Ammzi wrote:
Retribution is probably the most important change to PVP since September by far.
All those revamped ships


Probably priority one to read, I just didn't want to cry...just yet.

RE: humerous trolls -- Eve forums are worth the sub price, no? Blink


Depends who's paying, I sure as hell ain't.

I second the guy up there, check out the changes to the ships, and it would be a very very good idea to look up crimewatch. CCP wanted to make the security system less complex, and made everything.. more complex. Look at more recent dev blogs, should be one fairly recently. The one that includes an image displaying what effects that different causes has in various scenarios. Sorry, I'm too lazy to dig up the link myself. But that image is really helpful.

AFK-cloaking in a system near you.
Aslaug Torgersen
Forever Stardust Navy Combined Fleet
Goonswarm Federation
#7 - 2012-12-04 12:43:50 UTC
Logistic frigates and cruisers. Attack and Combat variants.
Qvar Dar'Zanar
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#8 - 2012-12-04 12:49:52 UTC
Misanth wrote:

I second the guy up there, check out the changes to the ships, and it would be a very very good idea to look up crimewatch. CCP wanted to make the security system less complex, and made everything.. more complex. Look at more recent dev blogs, should be one fairly recently. The one that includes an image displaying what effects that different causes has in various scenarios. Sorry, I'm too lazy to dig up the link myself. But that image is really helpful.


I for one think that this, when we get used to it, will be simplier. The only part hard to crack are the killrigths, otherwise it's just:
a) You do criminal things. Everybody kills you, plus concord will kill you if they can.
b) You do suspect things. Everybody kills you, save for concord.
Amarra Mandalin
DYVANAKH HOLE
#9 - 2012-12-04 12:52:11 UTC
I guess the most significant development of the moment is I can't patch my Eve client. Ugh
Misanth
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
#10 - 2012-12-04 12:53:24 UTC
Amarra Mandalin wrote:
I guess the most significant development of the moment is I can't patch my Eve client. Ugh



Haha. Yeah, might create some issues.. don't worry tho, when you log in, CCP provides a boot.ini on the market. P

AFK-cloaking in a system near you.
Amarra Mandalin
DYVANAKH HOLE
#11 - 2012-12-04 12:53:36 UTC
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I for one think that this, when we get used to it, will be simplier. The only part hard to crack are the killrigths, otherwise it's just:
a) You do criminal things. Everybody kills you, plus concord will kill you if they can.
b) You do suspect things. Everybody kills you, save for concord.


This saves a hell of a lot of reading time. Thanks :)
Amarra Mandalin
DYVANAKH HOLE
#12 - 2012-12-04 12:55:06 UTC
Misanth wrote:
Amarra Mandalin wrote:
I guess the most significant development of the moment is I can't patch my Eve client. Ugh



Haha. Yeah, might create some issues.. don't worry tho, when you log in, CCP provides a boot.ini on the market. P


Nightmare mode active. *runs away screaming*
Qvar Dar'Zanar
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#13 - 2012-12-04 12:55:09 UTC
Note that "suspect things" now include OOC logi repair and can flipping.
Misanth
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
#14 - 2012-12-04 12:56:49 UTC
Qvar Dar'Zanar wrote:
Misanth wrote:

I second the guy up there, check out the changes to the ships, and it would be a very very good idea to look up crimewatch. CCP wanted to make the security system less complex, and made everything.. more complex. Look at more recent dev blogs, should be one fairly recently. The one that includes an image displaying what effects that different causes has in various scenarios. Sorry, I'm too lazy to dig up the link myself. But that image is really helpful.


I for one think that this, when we get used to it, will be simplier. The only part hard to crack are the killrigths, otherwise it's just:
a) You do criminal things. Everybody kills you, plus concord will kill you if they can.
b) You do suspect things. Everybody kills you, save for concord.


There are other elements too it tho, and yes obviously we'll get used to it. But we got used to the old system too. The difference is this: key to make something easy to grasp, is to make it natural to understand. Something everyone will go a-ha! when they picture. Neither system fill that purpose. In that sense, the new is just a new, doesn't really make it simple. (and frankly, I think making stuff 'simple' is bad, there has always been rewards for those who put some effort in to learn stuff in, in EVE as in real life. Changing that will forever change this whole game into something it never was).

That's for another thread tho, so I'll drop the subject for now. P

AFK-cloaking in a system near you.
Aslaug Torgersen
Forever Stardust Navy Combined Fleet
Goonswarm Federation
#15 - 2012-12-04 12:56:51 UTC
Amarra Mandalin wrote:
I guess the most significant development of the moment is I can't patch my Eve client. Ugh



Indeed, I have the same problem at the moment with my second client. First worked fine though.
Misanth
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
#16 - 2012-12-04 13:02:29 UTC
I found this thread quite entertaining, so here, a freebie, courtesy of RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE:

http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=73443

The dev blog, with image I mentioned at the end. Good start.

AFK-cloaking in a system near you.
Seleia O'Sinnor
Drop of Honey
#17 - 2012-12-04 13:07:08 UTC
The option to open new inventory windows in a second window. Oh wait, was that before September? Then maybe nothing.

Odyssey: Repacking in POS hangars for modules +1,  but please for other stuff too, especially containers. Make containers openable in POS hangars.
Amarra Mandalin
DYVANAKH HOLE
#18 - 2012-12-04 13:07:21 UTC
Misanth wrote:
I found this thread quite entertaining, so here, a freebie, courtesy of RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE:

http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=73443

The dev blog, with image I mentioned at the end. Good start.


Many Thanks! I apparently have some reading time now until this is reinstalled.

Was there any changes to gate mechanics anyone care to post? Or is this under the Criminal Watch system?

I heard several rumors before I left and not sure if anything transpired. I don't engage in high-sec piracy (or didn't at least), -- mainly I wanted to know about low-sec and null and/or if I get bored. Twisted
Misanth
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
#19 - 2012-12-04 13:09:22 UTC
Some changes to jumping-mechanics when under various flags, but that is covered in the link.

AFK-cloaking in a system near you.
Aslaug Torgersen
Forever Stardust Navy Combined Fleet
Goonswarm Federation
#20 - 2012-12-04 13:29:14 UTC
Aslaug Torgersen wrote:
Amarra Mandalin wrote:
I guess the most significant development of the moment is I can't patch my Eve client. Ugh



Indeed, I have the same problem at the moment with my second client. First worked fine though.



Ok, restarting the comp solves it for me, updated 3 clients.
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