Crime & Punishment

Equally, just because you ARE posting here doesn't mean you are the 'voice of the people'. The Eve-o forums are notorious for catering to the Vocal Majority.

SET DEFAULT ORBIT DISTANCE TO 500 METERS.

PUSH ORBIT BUTTON.

Problem solved.

Or hey- here's a wacky idea... GO TO A DIFFERENT SYSTEM.

I'm not saying that it isn't an issue (double neg sorry), but the number of people affected by this is far disproportional to the number affected by the other issues mentioned.

I seriously can't tell if this is a troll or what. They laughed as hard as we did when we burned Jita. You're probably just THUPER DUPER miffed that someone called you "a pathetic miner" or "a stupid poo-poo head" in local for getting exploded. If there was a bumper calling your wife and child at your house or bothering you in real life/threatening to kill you, that's called harassment. What minerbumping is is pure griefing. Here you are on the forums giving us precious tears that we blew up your internet spaceships and that you got tricked wah wah wahhhhh.

Harassment is apparently relative, but they mean "harassment" as in "making someone's life a living hell", not "MOMMY MAKE HIM STAY ON HIS SIDE OF THE CAR MOMMMMMM!!!!!!".

edit: there are over 10,000 Goonswarm Federation members, and god knows how many CFC members. We outnumber miners by a massive amount, and some of us are even miners! Yet here we are, highsec publords being fed the game with a silver spoon

Ok then. In the end, I and others will still call it what it is, targeted harassment.

Watched a corp mate getting bumped despite being online. There is not much that he or I could do. A cheap Stabber not worth killing and having concord all over you. Nothing I could do to help my corp mate, the bumper is immune and fly such a cheap ship killing him makes no sense. I have no issue with bumping but I believe there must be an effective counter. I would favour a brief 10 second aggression timer (kill rights) for the ship bumped that he can react if he is not afk. The big argument for the pro-bumpers is it combats afk mining. Which is valid, you target an afk miner, no problem. You target a miner at his keyboard and you will have to reap the whirlwind.
He can then maybe be given the right to activate killrights and maybe sell it starting a 15 minute timer of open season on the bumper.
It eliminates the whole we are cleaning up afk mining and takes away the immunity they currently have against normal miners.
It means there is an effective counter of very short duration to bumpers without taking away their basic business model.
Neither side would be totally happy

If it was a member of the new order doing the bumping, he could have paid the 10 million isk and been left alone, if the new order orca support was in system, he'd have made that pittance back within a few hours, after that the orca bonus produces profit over mining without it.

Agreed, So let the bumpers suffer the same fate as the gankers, bump someone and concord kills them end of story. If you are just wanting to start a fight, and this Yob'ish behaviour suggest nothing else other than that go down to .4 space and have at it.

As far as pay to not be bumped? why should anyone pay a YOB to leave them alone, personally I believe a purposeful bumping is harassment and should be punishable by a death cert, but hey who would want more players in EVE anyway? rudeness gets rid of lots of new folks every week..

Bumping to some ppl seems to mean afk miners only. Few things actually bother me personally of bumping, there are a lot of comments so Ill keep this short and sweet.
Maybe including some way to balance the mass of a freighter hauling and a mine ship full of ore mining. Having some sort of dmg mechanic where collision of ships with mass multiplying mods (MWD) the smaller base mass ship will take dmg BUT will bump the ship : exp a wolf wants to MWD into a titan, wont end well for him. This would allow for unlocks to not be insane. Maybe a trigger that drops once the miner is first bumped, if the miner is bumped for longer then 10min allow a suspect flag for the bumper (don't like this idea maybe a specific flag for this not allow full aggression but allow defense from possible fleet members). This still allows bumping out of range, it still allows to punish the nasty afker freighters and miners but it also prevents that RARE cause of completely disabling a ships ability to do anything (freighter especially) without points or more reliable forms of capture.
I want to catch afkers and teach them lessons and get their shines, but at the same time am a little confused on some bumping. Eve is not =/= real life I know this : Just don't understand how a "suv" can block a 18wheeler without taking dmg at all sure mass X velocity can go some great things but in reality the smaller item is normally crushed under all the forces of that type of impact. It will inflect transfer off mass but it may also destroy its self somewhat in the process.
Eve books even include lines that allude to ships colliding and being destroyed.
That said for the most part I think the only thing missing from bumping is a way to counter, through non AFK'able means.
Almost everything in eve you can do has some sort of counter. Get ganked, fit a tank and don't be afk. Gst scammed read your buy orders or do research. Get your mission boat plewy, well should have been checking the gate with D scan or making sure probes are not out.
Lose a frig with 90bill, lol but travel with a HUGE fleet for that one.
The issue I see is that bumping seems to scale drastically with the risk vs reward system.
The mine bumping I cant argue much agents as just moving / or paying depending on your log time : IE don't got 4 hours to mine don't mine where you need a permit as to not need to "catch up" to your cost.
As for the bumping mechanics I think there are VERY few instances where this becomes a problem, there is a very fine line there.
There are a number of logistical reasons to leave this alone completely, at the same time there are compelling things to look into on the freighters end.
All in all if ppl were not AFK and playing properly most of this would not be issues, never travel without escort anything over ship cost for freighter.

That said I take it all back with this : NO and NOA are mostly doing what I support in game. The problem seems to be in specific instances where im looking at this being an issue.

For the record, I fly a faction-fit Stabber Fleet Issue. It's worth considerably more than most miner ships I bump.