Crime & Punishment

Yeah, I doubt there's any people with legit large scale botting operations complaining about it. I'm thinking it's probably more just dudes with 1 or 2 accounts getting mad because they lose hours at a time when they get stuck in rocks/the program panics and logs them out.

I just want to add something that I've found interesting. I'm not exactly sure of what causes this, so maybe someone here can help me. Sorry for the uncharacteristically long and terrible post.

I'm one of those assholes who kills freighters with the Ministry of Love. Hi. I've helped abort more capital ships than most alliances will ever hope to kill.

Now, I'll come to a point eventually, but I feel the need to explain myself fully before I do so.
I used to mostly play the role of a guy in a Machariel that would pin down freighters that really, really need to die.
For those of you who are averse to clicking boring links to killmails (not that I blame you), that was me suiciding a 1.4 billion isk Machariel on the largest freighter kill I had seen at the time. I can afford to do dumb things since I make about 350m/hr ratting with 8 nagas, isboxer, terrible skills, and T1 guns. Arab money y'all.

Now, I want to build a small sense of scale here. According to our semi-private KB, we as a group have murdered about 2.8 Trillion Isk worth of ships. This includes Freighters, 76 pods, and a few dozen misc. things that don't include the miniature ice interdiction we did. But most of it is the value is in the 282 freighters. I've only been on 28 actual freighter killmails, but the closest number I can find regarding actual ganks that I've been on from the records we have is 64. They weren't easy kills. None of them are.
64 out of 282 freighters is 22.7%. 22.7% of 2.8 trillion isk would be 635.6 billion isk. Obviously that number will be slightly smaller because I had nothing to do with those podmails, most orca kills, etc.

I was also a part of our somewhat short lived Ministry of Love brand Ice Interdiction!!! I really didn't accomplish much though. I had just installed isboxer a week or two before so I was very busily screwing up ganks and wasting lots and lots of T1 catalysts because I was still trying to figure it all out back then. The uncertainty of it all made it slightly stressing, but quite fun. I didn't kill terribly many miners and orcas though. I mostly just managed to make people think that their civilian shield boosted mackinaw fit was good, while managing to mostly just target my own ships (I am an idiot), and causing the whole lot shot by concord anyways. Overall, I was terrible at killing miners, and hardly got anyone because of it. If I had to guess I would say I shot maybe 3-4 billion isk worth of crap, and that was mostly because I helped kill some Orcas and Orca pods with sweet sweet billion isk mining implants in them.


Rejoice, for here is the part of this post where I get to the damned point and stop talking about ~stats~

The biggest thing I've noticed between when I killed freighters and when I killed miners was the attitude. Also the bots. But mainly the attitude.

Never once have I had a freighter pilot scream at me. I haven't gotten any death threats, and no one has called me any racial slurs or questioned my sexuality. The worst I ever get is people blocking me when I try to PM them for a ransom. Or a couple unlucky people who claimed to have reported us all to the GMs for various reasons. I even asked one of our customers just what the hell he was planning to do with some really oddly fit ships he dropped once. We ended up talking about incursions for a little bit. He ended up being pretty chill for a guy who just lost 10b+ worth of ships to us.
I'm not exaggerating. I have killed hundreds of billions of isk, yet not a single person has flipped out on us. I'm sure at least one of the 282 dead spacetrucks has, but I wasn't there for it.

But when I went miner popping? Jesus Christ. I barely killed anyone during that, but I got plenty of death threats over the few that I did. There were significantly more of them that would just scream at us about e-honor, or about how we're only there because clearly NCdot kicked us out of our space and now we're killing ice miners for money(This was during the war, mind you. But we all more or less live in highsec), or that people like us ruined/are ruining the eve economy, or that we're exploiting/harassing/going to get banned, or that mittani is a drunk nerd, whatever.
Dudes who lost 25m isk retreivers or 250m mackinaws going absolutely spastic over us. It was really more depressing than it was funny.
Granted, most ice miners were smart and just went to another system/region to do their thing. Some even committed the greatest sin by buying a skiff and fitting a damned tank for once. And good on them for it.



So, why is this? Why is there such a difference in attitudes between such a large amount of miners and almost literally everyone else? Is it just because terrible people are attracted by the most anti-social, boring, and unprofitable activity in eve? The worst I ever see from the legions of ~elite PvP~ and space-bushido that everyone makes fun of is just really bad trolling in local and red pen CTA ops.




Fake edit: I made it 65 kills while typing this post. Just for you guys.

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=15369628 - Obelisk


real edit: I forgot to mention something. We haven't even really had any effect on the economy of eve, despite all the freighters we've popped.

This game often reminds me of the repetitive behavior of some individuals with autism.

When their repetitive action is tapping a pencil eraser, and you take the pencil from them, they freak the **** out and go bat**** crazy, but when they get the pencil back they are instantly calm.

Keep taking the pencil, guys. The reactions are a great read.

No, No, No...

CONCORD isn't there to protect you... CONCORD is there to avenge you.

Also- it's not extortion if you plan to kill them anyway.

This is the kind of miner that the New Order approves of.

In general, we also approve of this kind of miner.

Pretty much this.

I'm all for fixing things to make them more exciting, things that are broken, and things to draw people in.

Making changes to think for those that won't think for themselves goes against pretty much everyone who is willing to play and adapt; and all this for something so simple as a swathe of players who refuse to push an orbit button.

Of all the people, proposing feasible and intelligent ideas/changes it's far beyond pathetic that 'Miner Bumping' is what the Community Reps are choosing to focus on.


Fixing Null Sec Industry? Nope.
Fixing Mineral Compression? Nope.
Balancing Risk vs. Reward? Nope.
Tiericide? Nope

Let's talk about Miner Bumping.

:facepalm:

I'm with the posters directly above me. Everything in Eve that needs to be looked at and this is a focus?

Obviously for the dozen or so miners to have their demands pushed through before these fixes listed here, they must be the 0.5%. People whine about how rich Goonswarm is and WAHHHH THEY CONTROL ALL THE TECH IT'S NOT FAIR >:( >:( yet somehow our issues are never pushed through nor considered more important than these seemingly harmless cry-tit miners.

In spite of the fact that there are thousands of players crying out for fixing Nullsec industry and balancing the risk/reward ratio, we have this here thread. :ccp:

It may not be an issue for you, but for others it is. Otherwise, it wouldn't be here. Attempting to discredit it by repeating "why is this here" and "this is a none-issue" will not make it go away. People do not like it. Just because they aren't posting here does not mean everyone in the galaxy like this.