Player Features and Ideas Discussion

what i would like to see is a hauler ship set between the 35 - 40 k of transport ships and the 970k frieghters something that is aroun 200k m3.

the noctise could become a more specilised salvage ship with stronger bonuses and the redundants prime could be made into the starting salvage ship.

i.e the prime would stay as is with little bonuses but could fit 2/2 salvagers the noctise could go to lvl 4 of apropriaot skill and perhaps lvl 3 on tractors and salvage and become the more specilised salvage ship. this would make a prie cheap enough to be used in low/null salvaging.

i wouldnt call the orca a specialised command ship. it is both a command ship and a hauler.

given the orcas appearance, a version truly specialised for moving ore with a vast ore bay would be interesting.

So, identical boosting bonuses. Its called an Industrial Command Ship. Yeah, I'm going to go ahead and call it a Command Ship.

And the price tag, for a hauler is immense. Fitted for hauling, your looking at around 800 million isk, so just over half the price of a freighter. For that, you get a ship that aligns like a decrepit snail attempting to dive out of the way of an on coming train, (much like a Freighter.) On top of that, you get a fraction of the tank and a fraction of the cargo space.

Lets talk skills then. It takes less than 30 days from character creation to get into any one freighter. It takes nearly 50 days to get into an Orca.

using an Orca as a hauler just doesn't make sense with facts like that. In my eyes, the Orca should have been an ore hauler. A T2 version should have been the booster.

As for Mining Titans, already been done and a couple have been popped.
Doomsday Capital Mining Laser. ORE-Deathstar then... Shoot moons with it to mine everything out of them and leave them a husk...
Drone miners? Their called carriers. Stick 15 T2 Mining Drones in a Thany and you'll get a decnt output. Having said that though, a specialsed one would be pretty cool.

And as I said, a dedicated Drone based mining ship that could compete with the current barges would be cool.

If it was possible to use 10 Mining Drones on this 'drone miner', and each one had a 50% yield bonus, they would still under perform against a procurer. I'm guessing this is a good idea for another thread.

I would still like to see a hauler with a similar cargo capability, with lower cost. Just for ore or ships. (Although the ship transporter has been mentioned as basically being a loot pinata in similar posts.)

As for scan proofing, thats on the way out. Corp hanger, ore hold and maintainance hanger will all scan and drop loot.

I've had a bit of a re-think on the modular hauler idea. While I would like it to follow a similar principal as T3 tech, I don't want it to be T3 itself.

So, start with a generic T1 hauler, give it a bonus to ore moving. Otherwise, put it on par with the other racial industrials. Now use this as the base for a T2 variant. Minimal fitting slots, say 2 high, 4 mid, 2 low. Give it no bays to start with, but give it 2 subsystem slots.

Subsystem - Bay 1:
Generic Cargo Bay - General storage space. Nothing huge or amazing.
Ore bay - Large dedicated ore bay, (hopefully it will also work for gas.)
Corp Bay - Smaller than the cargo bay, but useable by corp and fleet members.
Reinforced Bay - Unscanable bay. Not too big, but enough. Also adds some shield HP.

Subsystem - Bay 2:
Generic Cargo Bay - General storage space. Nothing huge or amazing.
Ore bay - Large dedicated ore bay, (hopefully it will also work for gas.)
Interdiction Bay - Makes the vessel immune to non targeted interdiction.
Battle Bay - Minimal cargo bay. Will add a couple of turret slots as well as some shield resistances.

These options would allow for several combinations, including:
A generic hauler that can move more than the T1 industrials.
An ore mover that can move quantities of ore than similar to the Orca.
A fleet ore hauler that turns up in belt, gets filled with ore and moves it back to the station, (so mining fleets would only need 1 Orca.)
A scan proof, bubble proof blockade runner, (but no cov ops cloak option, the campers will still have a chance to catch them on the other side of the gate.)
A bait/battle Indy that can hold its own.

Does this seem fair and balanced?

Having now read tomorrows patch notes, I see what you mean.

Expect to see freighters in belts surrounded by hulks with an orca looking on...

Anyone got any other idea's for specialist ships using the ORE Industrial skill?

I still think an Orca hull, with all the mining/command ship bonus's exchanged for greater ore and cargo hold capacity is a reasonable request.

And dangit! I want a space tug!

Only one problem with those 3 tiers of Haulers. Get rid of the tier's and make 3 viable roles and then CCP might consider it.

I could see one specialized for high ore capacity with a bonus to tractor beam range. Light tank with high agility and good base speed. Basically something to zip around miners picking up their ore using speed and tractor range and then being able to get out quickly when hostiles arrive.

I see no need for a mineral transport. We already have the blockade runners and the deep space transports which can carry a large amount of minerals just fine.

bump for being epic