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Downtime spawns nerfed?
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Xing Chima
Savage Shield Corp
#1 - 2012-12-03 05:00:02 UTC
Saw this little gem in the patch notes, was there an specific exploit or do they mean the belts rats don't get reset every DT now?

"Downtime can no longer be exploited to increase chances of finding a rare NPC spawn."

Can't seem to find anything else on it.
Mars Theran
Foreign Interloper
#2 - 2012-12-03 05:19:19 UTC
Personally, I saw someone mention this in a thread awhile back, but I didn't honestly think they were being serious. Not sure, but I guess maybe there is the odd chance you could get a spawn shortly before and after downtime, where otherwise it would potentially take hours?

Never ratted officers before though, so I have no idea..
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FluffyDice
Kronos Research
#3 - 2012-12-03 05:48:58 UTC
If you were in a 0.0 system with a lot of belts chances are you would find a faction spawn in them straight after downtime.
Tauranon
Weeesearch
CAStabouts
#4 - 2012-12-03 06:01:46 UTC
Mars Theran wrote:
Personally, I saw someone mention this in a thread awhile back, but I didn't honestly think they were being serious. Not sure, but I guess maybe there is the odd chance you could get a spawn shortly before and after downtime, where otherwise it would potentially take hours?

Never ratted officers before though, so I have no idea..


It respawns all the belts, and then people sweep them. I used to do that in 2009 after DT, but after that they introduced the new probing and the unrateds which have the same rats, so the only point to sweeping after that was officers.

If there is 30,000 belts in the game, and 60% spawn up, and 1% of the spawns are faction, then there are 180 faction rats spawned up right after DT (I don't know the real numbers). After those are swept the pool of faction rats will largely be there only if people have cleared prior spawns, which is slow, tedious and tends not to reward the person who is clearing unless they stick around.

Depending on how they view chaining, this is non trivial to fix.
Dave Stark
#5 - 2012-12-03 07:59:46 UTC
FluffyDice wrote:
If you were in a 0.0 system with a lot of belts chances are you would find a faction spawn in them straight after downtime.

when i was living in detorid, it was almost 100% certain to get a hauler or faction rat after DT every day in our "home" system. was quite nice tbh. in the space of about 5 days i got a faction web and 3 haulers.
dexington
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#6 - 2012-12-03 08:21:09 UTC
Xing Chima wrote:
Saw this little gem in the patch notes, was there an specific exploit or do they mean the belts rats don't get reset every DT now?

"Downtime can no longer be exploited to increase chances of finding a rare NPC spawn."

Can't seem to find anything else on it.



Faction hunting

Kind of niche tactic, where focus is on finding special spawns. The idea is to check belts in multiple non-checked systems, and kill only special spawns.
...

* Soon after the reset of downtime


Eve online wiki : Farming

I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous.
Demolishar
United Aggression
#7 - 2012-12-03 16:21:14 UTC
I found Chelm doing this.
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#8 - 2012-12-03 16:34:52 UTC
Xing Chima wrote:
Saw this little gem in the patch notes, was there an specific exploit or do they mean the belts rats don't get reset every DT now?

"Downtime can no longer be exploited to increase chances of finding a rare NPC spawn."

Can't seem to find anything else on it.



That's because the message is indeed rather clear-cut.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Ioci
Bad Girl Posse
#9 - 2012-12-03 16:57:34 UTC
On a scaled down version, I have logged in just after down time in High Sec and in half an hr I'd get 4 or 5 Shadow Serpentis kills. They still dropped trash and the days of letting EVE dictate when I do and don't log in are gone but I think the more obvious question might be, if they were rare before will they be hardly never now? I've played EVE for 7 years off and on. I've looted 2 daredevil bpc's. I've killed a lot of the commanders from all the factions, never looted anything else. No drami, no cruor, no succubus, just 2 Daredevil. The RnG is well below 1% so I don't know if nerfing is the answer.

R.I.P. Vile Rat
JitaPriceChecker2
Doomheim
#10 - 2012-12-03 19:56:31 UTC
Yep this is a significant change , because up until now , factions ships could spawn only after clearing previous spawn .

Now the question is how exactly they are fixing it, either there will be no special spawns after dt at all , or they would have remember all rats from before dt
Mortimer Civeri
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2012-12-03 20:00:05 UTC
Oh hay, a person has to work just as hard to get a faction spawn at 12:00 Eve as 23:59 Eve. Twisted

"I don't know which is worse, ...that everyone has his price, or that the price is always so low." Calvin
Dave Stark
#12 - 2012-12-03 20:07:35 UTC
Mortimer Civeri wrote:
Oh hay, a person has to work just as hard to get a faction spawn at 12:00 Eve as 23:59 Eve. Twisted


getting lucky on RNG.
now it's called "work".
Xing Chima
Savage Shield Corp
#13 - 2012-12-04 02:44:02 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
That's because the message is indeed rather clear-cut.


We obviously have different understandings of what clear cut means...

What they have written could be interpeted multiple ways, such as
- there was exploit which allowed people to control/influence faction/officer spawn at DT which is now fixed
- belt rat spawns no longer reset at DT
- belt rats will not spawn faction/officer on DT anymore

If you take what they have written in a strictly literal sense then they actually mean the first one, while I believe they meant to mean the second one.
Xing Chima
Savage Shield Corp
#14 - 2012-12-13 03:29:00 UTC
Well its been nerfed good... I haven't even seen a faction spawn when trying to farm belts (killing everything, rinse, repeat).

Let alone any changes made related to DT.

Either that or I have been horrendously unlucky for the last week.
Tom Gerard
Glorious Nation of Kazakhstan
#15 - 2012-12-13 03:31:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Tom Gerard
Xing Chima wrote:
Well its been nerfed good... I haven't even seen a faction spawn when trying to farm belts (killing everything, rinse, repeat).

Let alone any changes made related to DT.

Either that or I have been horrendously unlucky for the last week.


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Brooks Puuntai
Solar Nexus.
#16 - 2012-12-13 04:18:22 UTC
Tom Gerard wrote:


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I don't get it, can you repeat it?


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Bohoba
#17 - 2012-12-13 04:56:13 UTC
Xing Chima wrote:
Well its been nerfed good... I haven't even seen a faction spawn when trying to farm belts (killing everything, rinse, repeat).

Let alone any changes made related to DT.

Either that or I have been horrendously unlucky for the last week.



I have only seen 2 in my 8 years of playing eve everyone eles gets them :)
Xing Chima
Savage Shield Corp
#18 - 2012-12-13 07:17:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Xing Chima
I'm not talking officer spawns, just the lesser faction ones like Shadow/Blood/etc/etc and haulers.

Lesser faction are theorised to be about 1 in 100 chance of spawning and relatively common when compared to officer spawns which are theorised to be about 1 in 100000.
Yim Sei
Ontogenic Achronycal PLC
#19 - 2012-12-13 09:42:26 UTC
I have played for 5 years and have only had 2 officer spawns - within 2 weeks of each other Shocked - not seen any since.

Post with my main? This is my main - I just overtrain and overplay my alts.