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Dont change the 2/10 plexes!

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Destination SkillQueue
#21 - 2012-12-01 07:42:37 UTC
Moving all such DED sites to the exploration system has been asked since forever. They're mainly meant to be content for explorers, so it's only natural they use the mechanic designed specifically for this profession. If you feel there should be sites for PvP, ask such sites or use the FW complexes, that are specifically designed for PvP.
Miura Bull
Screaming Hayabusa
#22 - 2012-12-01 12:59:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Miura Bull
Damn. Wish I hadn't spent hours and hours of my time writing guides for two soon to be defunct pvp/pve 'arenas'. Oh well, at least I have a delete button too.

This looks like a change that is now set in stone. Which is a shame as a key feature of lowsec life will die with this change. Nice lowsec nerf, well played.
Dirty Protagonist
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#23 - 2012-12-01 13:48:57 UTC
the static 2/10s are quite possibly the only thing working in low sec that yields both fun and competitive pvp and a modest yet desirable profit. please please please don't **** this up


Artimis kraw
Snuffed Out
#24 - 2012-12-01 14:18:35 UTC
I support this. Heild wont be the same with this change
Sir Livingston
#25 - 2012-12-01 14:50:52 UTC
Destination SkillQueue wrote:
Moving all such DED sites to the exploration system has been asked since forever. They're mainly meant to be content for explorers, so it's only natural they use the mechanic designed specifically for this profession. If you feel there should be sites for PvP, ask such sites or use the FW complexes, that are specifically designed for PvP.


to quote Dr. Ian Malcolm "No, I'm, I'm simply saying that life, uh... finds a way. "

No worries mr low-sec ded complex fighting dude, you will find a way

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Miiis Sweety
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#26 - 2012-12-01 14:55:14 UTC
Can we get a reason why the change?
Dong Orson
Screaming Hayabusa
#27 - 2012-12-01 15:24:31 UTC
Sounds awesome now people will have even less reason to visit low sec, and I can ship spin without being bothered by those pesky kids on my lawn.

Good job ccp, continue on your quest to make low sec pvp a one dimensional sandbox.

May I suggest for your next move be to limit all low sec pvp to faction warfare and then have that only be able to occur inside FW plexes and only then if both partys agree to it.

Can't wait to see your next bit of changes

Dong Orson.
Screaming Hayabusa
#28 - 2012-12-01 16:19:40 UTC
As a casual player / PvP'er with very limited game time I find this change to be massively detrimental.

Courtesy of the 'plex in Heild I know that, more often than not, when I have the time to log in I can find a fight there in short order to satisfy my itch for FRIGUT BATTALS.

It's rare that I have the time to roam to find things to shoot at. This change makes my chosen path in-game very difficult to walk satisfactorily, and I'm sure I'm not the only one in this particular boat.
Minmatar Death Squad
Broken Chains Alliance
#29 - 2012-12-01 16:33:47 UTC
Support the OP.

CCP I am Shocked


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Silver Chair
#30 - 2012-12-01 16:34:07 UTC

Don't **** up low sec frig Pvp CCP!!!!
Sugar Kyle
Middle Ground
#31 - 2012-12-01 17:05:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Sugar Kyle
It should be noted that the Eve player has a habit of taking a situation and using it in ways unexpected by its original implementation.

The use of static DED complexes in low sec as points to for small gang fighting is such a thing. Entire communities have built up around these areas due to their resources. The communities may not be as large as others in the game but they are there, they are rather static in a transient part of the game and they are tightly knit with history and events.

Replacement with Faction Warfare complexes is not the answer. Something similar was static DED complexes. These are not complexes where anyone is making billions of ISK. Due to the nature of low security space and the habitual occupation of any system containing a static complex camping of these sites is stopped by the local residents. Such an action is something that CCP seems to want to happen.

As it has been pointed out, ISK generation does come from these sites. Nothing insane or crazy. To do the site is to take on the risk of the locals coming looking for action.

So we had both income and PvP in low security space. They also stand for being very entry level PvP due to the restricted nature of the gates. Residents of low sec love frigates as much as any other group. However, we have had to take a more adaptable solution to satiate our thirst for small ship fights. Instead of petitioning CCP to... I don't know... change everything in the game to suit us we instead learned to be flexible and work with the resources that had been given to us.

Sadly, that resource is being taken away.

We are often not as vocal a community as we need to be. Our numbers are small and our social structure fiercely independent. The side effect of that is our opinion is often known among ourselves but not outside of our little community. In this I can only hope that the actual residents of low security space are heard in this matter.

Member of CSM9 and CSM10.

Crevo Helion
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#32 - 2012-12-01 18:24:55 UTC
I support keeping them as they are.
Adele Godel
The Spawning Pool
#33 - 2012-12-01 18:28:30 UTC
Crevo Helion wrote:
I support keeping them as they are.

Pirates and anti-pirates agreeing on something.

Obviously its a good idea.
Swifty Blowback
#34 - 2012-12-01 19:31:33 UTC
By all means remove them from high sec as they're just camped 23/7. But please leave them as they are in low sec. They're a great source of cheap 1v1 pvp.

Alex Medvedov
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#35 - 2012-12-01 22:21:51 UTC
I support keeping them as they are - those plexes are one of not many things which are supporting solo/small gang PVP in lowsec!
Kill'em all. Let Bob sort'em out.
#36 - 2012-12-01 22:36:54 UTC

Whoever thought up this stupid idea has obviously never experienced or investigated or even asked anyone about the thing they planned to change.

Please leave the plexes alone.
Ava Starfire
Khushakor Clan
#37 - 2012-12-01 22:51:11 UTC
I support keeping them as is.

They are a great place to find frigate scale PVP, and make certain systems hotbeds of fun. It isnt like they crank isk into the system, and it isnt like anything found in them is that valuable.

Want to stop farmers? Make the plex kickout 5 minutes after it is cleared. Problem solved.

CCP seems to be waging war on frigate combat; why you guys hate us so much?

"There is no strength in numbers; have no such misconception." -Jayka Vofur, "Warfare in the North"

Kane Rizzel
NovaKane Incorporated
You've got RED on you
#38 - 2012-12-01 22:55:39 UTC
I have built my entire EVE Piracy career centred around a 2/10 in lowsec, five years of some of the most fun and rewarding PvP in this sandbox game of yours.
Traps, counter traps, log ons & log offskis, mass brawls and epic 1v1s.
Russian ISK farmers, Chinese ISK farmers, PvPers, Pirates, newbies, lowbies, nullsec warriors, carebears and everything in between have come to them to seek their fortune, in these bastions of small ship PvP.

As has been said, entire communities have sprung up, using the sandbox tools you gave us to make our universe rock... And now you want to take it away?

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#39 - 2012-12-01 22:57:12 UTC
eve started with small gangs and 1vs1 pvp.. these low secs plexes are the reminders of those days, let them be !
Caldari State
#40 - 2012-12-01 22:58:53 UTC
seriously! dont touch them! why would you want to ruin the fun and casual fun people can have there? for the mass?