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Freighters for mining ops anyone?
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Lord LazyGhost
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#21 - 2012-12-01 20:43:32 UTC
Dave stark wrote:
Fryhilda wrote:
Frostys Virpio wrote:
Lord LazyGhost wrote:
easy orca there for bonus + tractoring in the ans for the frighter to pic up simples


That freighter is equal to a 0 yield pilot. How do you people not get that? You will get more total ore out of an extra barge/exhumer than running a damn freighter.


Small amount of lazy isk > large amount of isk with effort.


yeah, warping an orca to and from the station once per belt is really a lot of effort... you'd sacrifice an exhumer pilot to save yourself 1, maybe two warps to and from a belt, per belt?



ofci would does my name not give it away?


Layghost lazy.......
The Protato
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#22 - 2012-12-01 20:49:32 UTC
Dave stark wrote:
Gilbaron wrote:
tractor beams and bonuses from orca

hauling with freighter

one freighter run equals 6 or 7 orca runs


i still want to know where you're putting all of this ore between freighter loads, in jetcans ripe to be flipped? or are you wasting a perfectly viable mining pilot by having him idling in a freighter all op?


Dave stark wrote:


yeah, warping an orca to and from the station once per belt is really a lot of effort... you'd sacrifice an exhumer pilot to save yourself 1, maybe two warps to and from a belt, per belt?


You seem to have quoted the stats and then made up your own to belittle the cause. Since when was 6 or 7 orca runs "one maybe two warps"?

Also, I'm loving the turnout of miners in GD for once.
Dave stark
#23 - 2012-12-01 20:53:24 UTC
The Protato wrote:
Dave stark wrote:
Gilbaron wrote:
tractor beams and bonuses from orca

hauling with freighter

one freighter run equals 6 or 7 orca runs


i still want to know where you're putting all of this ore between freighter loads, in jetcans ripe to be flipped? or are you wasting a perfectly viable mining pilot by having him idling in a freighter all op?


Dave stark wrote:


yeah, warping an orca to and from the station once per belt is really a lot of effort... you'd sacrifice an exhumer pilot to save yourself 1, maybe two warps to and from a belt, per belt?


You seem to have quoted the stats and then made up your own to belittle the cause. Since when was 6 or 7 orca runs "one maybe two warps"?

Also, I'm loving the turnout of miners in GD for once.


since when was it 6-7 orca trips to get 400k m3 of ore to the station?
sure, a freighter can take a whole belt's worth of ore in 1 trip, however you can easily get 200k m3 in two orca loads, one if your mining op is supporting a handful of mackinaws. even at 400k m3 it's 3 orca trips at most.

there's simply not enough ore in a high sec belt to justify wasting a pilot sitting in a freighter with his knob in his hand.
The Protato
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#24 - 2012-12-01 20:55:02 UTC
Dave stark wrote:
since when was it 6-7 orca trips to get 400k m3 of ore to the station?
sure, a freighter can take a whole belt's worth of ore in 1 trip, however you can easily get 200k m3 in two orca loads, one if your mining op is supporting a handful of mackinaws. even at 400k m3 it's 3 orca trips at most.

there's simply not enough ore in a high sec belt to justify wasting a pilot sitting in a freighter with his knob in his hand.


I have no experience of mining whatsoever, I'm just going with the stats that you replied to first time. Genuinely I'm apathetic on this issue, but you do seem to be getting very worked up over nothing.
Dave stark
#25 - 2012-12-01 21:00:29 UTC
The Protato wrote:
Dave stark wrote:
since when was it 6-7 orca trips to get 400k m3 of ore to the station?
sure, a freighter can take a whole belt's worth of ore in 1 trip, however you can easily get 200k m3 in two orca loads, one if your mining op is supporting a handful of mackinaws. even at 400k m3 it's 3 orca trips at most.

there's simply not enough ore in a high sec belt to justify wasting a pilot sitting in a freighter with his knob in his hand.


I have no experience of mining whatsoever, I'm just going with the stats that you replied to first time. Genuinely I'm apathetic on this issue, but you do seem to be getting very worked up over nothing.


what can i say, i'm ill, arguing on the internet is the highlight of my day aside from drinking this really sugary cold remedy crap.

i just really can't see the benefit of a freighter for high sec mining ops. there's simply not enough ore per belt to make it worth losing an exhumer pilot for.
Gilbaron
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#26 - 2012-12-01 21:11:25 UTC
mining op(eration) implies that it's a medium to large scale operation, organized on corporation level

the single dude with his 3 mackinaws and a bonus giving orca is not a mining op

a mining op is 15+ hulks sitting in various belts, completely cleaning one or more systems of roids



now: 1 player with all his exhuming alts per belt, 1 orca giving bonuses, various other orcas and alts in industrials running between belts and a station to haul the minerals

retribution: 1 player with all his alts per belt, mining into cans, one orca giving bonuses. one freighter warping from belt to belt to pick up cans, conveniently tractored to him with the help of the orca. said orca could also bring 4 webs to get the freighter into warp faster
Sturmwolke
#27 - 2012-12-01 21:11:47 UTC
Very workable for ice mining. For ore it's a bit overkill unless you happen to have a fleet of Orcas offloading its stuff to the freighter (which acts as the mule).
Best of all, this is very good news to anyone involved in the freighter production chain - the direct manufacturers and BPC research. The bear will get even bigger.
Gilbaron
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#28 - 2012-12-01 21:22:52 UTC
Sturmwolke wrote:

Best of all, this is very good news to anyone involved in the freighter production chain - the direct manufacturers and BPC research. The bear will get even bigger.


i also see a lot of money in the freighterbumping business Pirate
YoYo NickyYo
Doomheim
#29 - 2012-12-01 21:25:55 UTC
Dave stark wrote:
Fryhilda wrote:
Frostys Virpio wrote:
Lord LazyGhost wrote:
easy orca there for bonus + tractoring in the ans for the frighter to pic up simples


That freighter is equal to a 0 yield pilot. How do you people not get that? You will get more total ore out of an extra barge/exhumer than running a damn freighter.


Small amount of lazy isk > large amount of isk with effort.


yeah, warping an orca to and from the station once per belt is really a lot of effort... you'd sacrifice an exhumer pilot to save yourself 1, maybe two warps to and from a belt, per belt?



You're assuming that everyone is all about maximum efficiency? Shocked


I am not, nor will I ever be...Nicky Yo.... The question you should ask is.....When will they release the NICKY!
Dave stark
#30 - 2012-12-01 21:30:22 UTC
YoYo NickyYo wrote:
Dave stark wrote:
Fryhilda wrote:
Frostys Virpio wrote:
Lord LazyGhost wrote:
easy orca there for bonus + tractoring in the ans for the frighter to pic up simples


That freighter is equal to a 0 yield pilot. How do you people not get that? You will get more total ore out of an extra barge/exhumer than running a damn freighter.


Small amount of lazy isk > large amount of isk with effort.


yeah, warping an orca to and from the station once per belt is really a lot of effort... you'd sacrifice an exhumer pilot to save yourself 1, maybe two warps to and from a belt, per belt?



You're assuming that everyone is all about maximum efficiency? Shocked




but you're not even gaining quality of life with a freighter. lack of tractor beam, for example. not to mention, other than making yourself open to can flippers, you have nowhere to store all of this ore until it's ready to be collected by the freighter.
Sturmwolke
#31 - 2012-12-01 21:30:39 UTC
Gilbaron wrote:
Sturmwolke wrote:

Best of all, this is very good news to anyone involved in the freighter production chain - the direct manufacturers and BPC research. The bear will get even bigger.

i also see a lot of money in the freighterbumping business Pirate

I'm sure James315 (of minerbumping.com fame/infamy) is gleefully formulating plans right now how to (legally) perma-bump a freighter for his business P
Ocih
Space Mermaids
#32 - 2012-12-01 21:36:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Ocih
Putting up a POS from a freighter or Jump freighter rather than needing to use an Industrial to get the bubble up I suppose.
Prelude to Modular POS?
bartos100
Living Ghost
#33 - 2012-12-01 22:02:36 UTC
for high sec mining i don't see many freighters being used

however once i was in an aliance mining op with over 30 barges mining in 0.0 there we could have used a freighter as we where mining more then an orca could ferry to the rorq by warping up and down from the belt to the pos :)

other then that kind of mass mining i don't see a real use for a freighter in mining ops
Dave stark
#34 - 2012-12-01 22:12:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Dave Stark
bartos100 wrote:
for high sec mining i don't see many freighters being used

however once i was in an aliance mining op with over 30 barges mining in 0.0 there we could have used a freighter as we where mining more then an orca could ferry to the rorq by warping up and down from the belt to the pos :)

other then that kind of mass mining i don't see a real use for a freighter in mining ops


then you have to ask yourself; would you risk a freighter like that in 0.0?

especially with the new change to afterburner skill and how cheap an orca is in comparison to a freighter, and the fact an orca can tractor stuff to itself unlike a freighter.

don't get me wrong the freighter change is nice but hardly game changing.
Gilbaron
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#35 - 2012-12-01 22:16:08 UTC
i would rather pilot my freighter through deep 00 than through niarja
Sarmea Moon
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#36 - 2012-12-01 22:20:11 UTC
Dave stark wrote:

but you're not even gaining quality of life with a freighter. lack of tractor beam, for example. not to mention, other than making yourself open to can flippers, you have nowhere to store all of this ore until it's ready to be collected by the freighter.



You store it in the freighter. Freighter warps to the orca, the orca has tractored the cans, and tractors new ones, if the ships aren't already dumping straight into the orca. You keep mentioning the warping orca, you know, the orca that's providing bonuses? The orca that as soon as it begins to warp, all the hulks in the belt lose their laser locks and current yield because the bonus isn't there anymore? If you are hauling with a second orca, or hauler, they aren't mining either. You have a non-mining pilot not matter what ship you pick to haul. If you want to complain about efficiency, then they wouldn't be stripping the belt in the first place, they'd be mining whatever the 10% best ore was and move to another belt, then another system.

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Dave stark
#37 - 2012-12-01 22:26:55 UTC
Sarmea Moon wrote:
Dave stark wrote:

but you're not even gaining quality of life with a freighter. lack of tractor beam, for example. not to mention, other than making yourself open to can flippers, you have nowhere to store all of this ore until it's ready to be collected by the freighter.



You store it in the freighter. Freighter warps to the orca, the orca has tractored the cans, and tractors new ones, if the ships aren't already dumping straight into the orca. You keep mentioning the warping orca, you know, the orca that's providing bonuses? The orca that as soon as it begins to warp, all the hulks in the belt lose their laser locks and current yield because the bonus isn't there anymore? If you are hauling with a second orca, or hauler, they aren't mining either. You have a non-mining pilot not matter what ship you pick to haul. If you want to complain about efficiency, then they wouldn't be stripping the belt in the first place, they'd be mining whatever the 10% best ore was and move to another belt, then another system.


you mean the same bonuses that are only in effect as the lasers start/end their cycle, giving you plenty of time to warp to and from the belt? you only need the links to be on at the start of the cycle to gain their bonuses, and you only need the orca pilot in space at the end of the cycle for the yield bonus. the time between it doesn't matter if the bonuses are on or not.
not to mention, bonuses being down for 1 cycle will cost you less ore than having a pilot idling in a freighter.
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#38 - 2012-12-01 22:31:42 UTC
To those PvP pilots who find mining boring, and the over-achiever ISK/hr minmaxing pilots: sorry. The world doesn't always work according to your rules.

People ware going to use freighters for storing ore collected by mining ships and an Orca. Even if they're moving between belts, the fact that they have "more than a few orca's full" of storage space for their mining operation is a godsend: a half-dozen hulks, an Orca, and a freighter will make for the ultimate lazy pilot's mining fleet. So much less micro-management, so much more time for mixing cocktails and shooting the breeze.

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Dave stark
#39 - 2012-12-01 22:42:27 UTC
Mara Rinn wrote:
So much less micro-management,


haha. it's december 1st, not april 1st.
Sentamon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#40 - 2012-12-01 22:50:06 UTC
Great change.

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