Crime & Punishment

Which is why i said that the 15minute timer for aggression that is put on a player because someone else points him and he doesn't actually make any aggression should be considered for removal from HIGH SEC because there are no super caps in high sec therefore I don't think the this one agression timer is needed in high sec as it is only used by goons for freighter ganking.

You forgot

6) Pay 10,000,000 ISK to the nearest Agent of the New Order of Highsec.

This is the economically smart move.

Bing Bangboom
Agent of the New Order of Highsec
Beligerent Undesirable

Have you tried employing any of the strategies listed on the Proveldtariat blog (which I listed several pages back in this thread)? Or did you just sit around and prematurely (and inaccurately) conclude that there are no effective counters to bumping...

well if you can't gank someone before they can log off then you don't deserve the kill.. thats why it's called suicide ganking. Also i doubt there were many sub cap pilots who's tank can last the 15minutes, because before the rule there was still aggression timers it was just that if you lasted 15minutes you're ship disappeared. I highly doubt a supcap can preform such a feat, unless being attacked by a new frig pilot with no skills.

since a null and low sec rule was applied to all of eve because super caps were too tanky to be killed in 15minutes, then i propose that freighters be given the chance to defend themselves. If the 15 minute timer where someone points you and it means you aggressed stands (although i still strongly advised it be looked at for removal from high sec) Then why not give freighter two lows and two mids and two highs and 3 rig slots so that they can choose for more hold/damage control for tank capital shield mods or inertia stabalizers to warp faster or warp core staballizers. If the ship is going to be subject to a rule meant for super caps then it should be able to tank itself and provide counter measures. A freighter is as big as a cap so it should be able to fit itself for defense since it is subject to a rule put in for super caps. Or have choice for larger hold this would make the gank worth more if someone doesn't defend themselves or gives the freighter pilot a chance to fit i stabs so it has the chance to warp away before the next bump. Or don't let them bump indefinitely like i said the fact that with current game mechanics you can bump a freighter pilot indefinitely is completely ridiculous. So to review my ideas for discussion is, 1 remove aggression timer that a aggresses a player who didn't actually make any aggression. 2. give the freighter pilots slots so that they can make a fit for defense or to optimize capacity or align time (basically give them same choices as other pilots). 3. program it so that after so many bumps a player is gcc'd and con-corded.

This is just more of the 'gank' the miners and industrialists attitude since we are all 'carebears' and afk or robo miners.

CCP nerfs the Hulkageddon gankers - they've just re-emerged as alts who bump and plan to use the new destroyers upgrades to go back on the ganking trail.

I can say, to me, I think this is an exploit of the game mechanics, no one should be able to interfer in peaceful operations without some sort of penalty.

Extortion is a nasty business, is was a crime before we were cut off from earth, it's a crime now, imo.

Solution - make Concord respond faster. Enough said.

Many of us like the Industrial complex of EVE more than the blow stuff up part of it...if it keeps going downhill like this maybe I'll go play Star Citizen and see if it's any better...

There is a loss with it to clarify. The loss to the Miner from his/her beams breaking and for ICE miners this is a sever loss.

I would think Discouraging a petition (out of game method of reaching "CUSTOMER SERVICE" is not withen the game scope and therefore should be a act require some sort of repercussion.

See? It encourages creativity and teamwork, which as we all know based on previous updates and patches, CCP is very keen on these being a core part of the game. Why fix what isn't broken?

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(edit: I find it necessary to point out that the extent of my involvement in hisec shenanigans in the past year has been limited to ECM bursting the 4-4 undock during Burn Jita and killing a few AFK pods during the same event. I am far from your typical ~griefer~ - I do believe that some aspects of hisec shenanigans need to be reined in, but bumping is not one of them.)

The apparent need for this thread worries me: until last summer, CCP never went down the road of intentionally and knowingly enabling such hands-off, uninvolved gameplay. The effects of enabling this hands-off gameplay even further include 600M ISK PLEX and rock-bottom ice prices.

If it's simply based on the fact that people have been complaining openly about miner bumping, that alarms me greatly. Will the future of scamming in EVE be reviewed if enough attention is drawn to it on the forums? Will the future of corp heists and in-corp ganking be taken under review?

The situation with miner bumping is simple to avoid. There are thousands of hisec systems and if someone wishes to mine in a more convenient location, for say proximity to a market hub, it should not come with the expectation of complete safety, isolation from the actions of other players, much less the expectation that they should have the ability to perform that activity while only giving the game an few minutes of attention every hour. The New Order and their copycats have certainly been making quite a bit of noise around the forums, but their activity remains isolated to a few systems. It is ultimately of little consequence.

My opposition to the continuing simplification of the game, the compartmentalization of players and this seeming trend towards safety is simple. No game has undergone these kinds of changes and remained with even a shadow of its former glory. My fear, which cannot possibly be deemed unjustified, is that any decision from the GM team in this regard will essentially set a precedent that could conceivably lead to theft, scamming and betrayal - the possibilities in this game that make trust a valuable commodity - being prohibited.

It is also justifiable to state that I cannot help but feel that the "leave bumping alone" input in this thread will go ignored. This has been the case many times in the past. I find it deplorable that the possibility of this thread merely existing for the sake of later stating "there was a discussion" later on is not an unreasonable one at this point. I also doubt that I'm alone in the belief that the conclusion of this discussion was all but foregone by the time this thread was posted. These are not merely groundless suspicions, but possibilities inferred from previous instances of "calls for discussion" where CCP staff showed absolutely no indication of taking any of the feedback they requested into consideration. I do not wish to believe this, nor do I intend on stating this as a fact, but it is, in my mind, a possibility nonetheless.

I apologize if this post veers somewhat off-topic, but those are my feelings on this matter. I do not, however, apologize for my candor. That is all I will say regarding this matter.