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Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#301 - 2012-11-30 19:36:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Mallak Azaria
Ahvram wrote:
Its great how everyone has and answer for miner bumping but no one can give a solid reason how locking a frieghter down (Basically warp scram without aggression) is valid.


It's great how the people doing said freighter ganking have repeatedly offered advice on how to avoid it, but you ignore it because goons. Ironically, freighter pilots who take advice and don't die don't complain because they don't die. ~ Thanks Kitchner (Morning time, sleepy time).

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Inquisitor Kitchner
The Executives
#302 - 2012-11-30 19:40:49 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:
. Ironically, the people who take our advice don't complain about this non-issue.



I wouldn't say that's ironic.

Freighter pilots who take advice and don't die don't complain because they don't die.

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Nathalie LaPorte
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#303 - 2012-11-30 19:43:17 UTC
Ahvram wrote:


Its great how everyone has and answer for miner bumping but no one can give a solid reason how locking a frieghter down (Basically warp scram without aggression) is valid.


Is valid? It's valid because CCP says it is. I think you're meaning to ask for a solid reason why it's desirable.

There seem to be way more minerbumpers playing EVE right now, than there are freighter gankers--just like there are more miners than there are freighter pilots, at any given point in time. So, your posts about minerbumping get more replies. I don't see why this bothers you, though.
Ahvram
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#304 - 2012-11-30 19:43:47 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Ahvram wrote:
Its great how everyone has and answer for miner bumping but no one can give a solid reason how locking a frieghter down (Basically warp scram without aggression) is valid.


It's great how the people doing said freighter ganking have repeatedly offered advice on how to avoid it, but you ignore it because goons. Ironically, the people who take our advice don't complain about this non-issue.



Im sorry I should not have to go out of my way to avoid a broken game mechanic that should basically be and exploit because you cant achieve your goals otherwise. If you could you would not be here defending it. You are being allowed to in essence warp scramble a ship without agression or the ability of your target to do anything about it.

You want to target me and gank me im all for it. Thats EVE and thats the risk I run leaving station. But the ability to perma warp scram a freighter without any negative effects on you is not what EVE is about. If so Warp scramblers would not cause aggression in Hi sec.
Murk Paradox
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#305 - 2012-11-30 19:47:08 UTC
Ahvram wrote:
Murk Paradox wrote:
Ahvram wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Ahvram wrote:
So how can a solo freighter pilot who is forced to take a choke point on a trade route able to take active measures to protect themselves from your recycled goon bumping alts? ( a known exploit but goons never get punished for it) I cant warp cant shoot can move cant do anything. Again this is 1 ship 1/10 my size able to lock me down with no reprocussions... Ya thats balanced.

Goon logic = no logic just guns and numbers and CCP puppet strings


Why don't you go & ask the freighter pilots that consistently avoid being ganked by us? I'm sure they'd be happy to share the same tips we've been telling everyone since we started doing it (They actuallt work). Recycling bumping alts isn't an exploit (And frankly, why would we recycle bumping alts?). The only exploit regarding recycling is to avoid the penalties of sec status hits which we don't do, because it's just as feasible to agress with a -10 in an ibis as it is to agress with a fresh alt.

A Machariel with a MWD on equates to roughly the same size as a freighter. If you understood game mechanics, you would know that an active MWD increases the signature radius & mass of the ship by roughly 500%.


Last time I was bump locked in a freighter it was by a 4 day old toon in a dessie. Your getting the 2 issues confused. The miner bumping I have experiance is:

A: Large MWD BS (Usally a Mach) warps into belt with a Cat or thrasher. Proceeds to push the miner all over the belt till the miner gives in and pays or refuses and is popped.

B: Freighter Pilot jumps gate. Lands on other side. As soon as you attempt to warp MWD destroyer plows into you repeatedly locking you down for ransom and or income gank.



Can't d-scan or employ a scout for such avoidance? Or would that be too close to "pay 10mil isk or risk bump"?


Its great how everyone has and answer for miner bumping but no one can give a solid reason how locking a frieghter down (Basically warp scram without aggression) is valid.


Google is quite simply, your friend. Plenty of articles about freighting, hell, don't even need that.... I only recently came back from null space and was leery of using the chokepoint because it wasn't guarded, and in fact, was camped by hostiles. I had 3 seperate offers from people who had scouts and covops to scout the gate for me. Leaving in a harbinger.

Not that difficult to learn that if you aren't going to be piloting something worth enough to hurt to lose... don't do it by yourself.

Infact, I believe I first learned about that in rookie help within my first 2 weeks of logging into Eve.

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Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#306 - 2012-11-30 19:48:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Mallak Azaria
Ahvram wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Ahvram wrote:
Its great how everyone has and answer for miner bumping but no one can give a solid reason how locking a frieghter down (Basically warp scram without aggression) is valid.


It's great how the people doing said freighter ganking have repeatedly offered advice on how to avoid it, but you ignore it because goons. Ironically, the people who take our advice don't complain about this non-issue.



Im sorry I should not have to go out of my way to avoid a broken game mechanic that should basically be and exploit because you cant achieve your goals otherwise. If you could you would not be here defending it. You are being allowed to in essence warp scramble a ship without agression or the ability of your target to do anything about it.

You want to target me and gank me im all for it. Thats EVE and thats the risk I run leaving station. But the ability to perma warp scram a freighter without any negative effects on you is not what EVE is about. If so Warp scramblers would not cause aggression in Hi sec.


Except it's not warp scrambling, it's bumping. If you don't like being bumped in a freighter, use something smaller. There is consequences for all actions in this game & I've already gone over the negative consequences of bumping which do exist no matter how much you try to claim they don't. You can either take measures to avoid it or continue being a victim.

Just because you believe it's a broken game mechanic & should be an exploit doesn't make it a broken game mechanic & an exploit.

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Murk Paradox
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#307 - 2012-11-30 19:54:02 UTC
Ahvram wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Ahvram wrote:
Its great how everyone has and answer for miner bumping but no one can give a solid reason how locking a frieghter down (Basically warp scram without aggression) is valid.


It's great how the people doing said freighter ganking have repeatedly offered advice on how to avoid it, but you ignore it because goons. Ironically, the people who take our advice don't complain about this non-issue.



Im sorry I should not have to go out of my way to avoid a broken game mechanic that should basically be and exploit because you cant achieve your goals otherwise. If you could you would not be here defending it. You are being allowed to in essence warp scramble a ship without agression or the ability of your target to do anything about it.

You want to target me and gank me im all for it. Thats EVE and thats the risk I run leaving station. But the ability to perma warp scram a freighter without any negative effects on you is not what EVE is about. If so Warp scramblers would not cause aggression in Hi sec.



If you don't worry about the consequences, don't cry when they happen to you. If you feel it is a broken mechanic, and you think you are in a position to be hurt or podded or harassed or anything you don't want to happen....

Don't do it. You already said you don't mind being ganked. You don't get to determine HOW you lose the ship... unless you self destruct. If you already don't mind, and you know it could happen, and you accept the cardinal rule "don't fly what you can't afford to lose"... then what's the problem? It's working to your expectations.

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Ahvram
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#308 - 2012-11-30 19:55:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Ahvram
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Ahvram wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Ahvram wrote:
Its great how everyone has and answer for miner bumping but no one can give a solid reason how locking a frieghter down (Basically warp scram without aggression) is valid.


It's great how the people doing said freighter ganking have repeatedly offered advice on how to avoid it, but you ignore it because goons. Ironically, the people who take our advice don't complain about this non-issue.



Im sorry I should not have to go out of my way to avoid a broken game mechanic that should basically be and exploit because you cant achieve your goals otherwise. If you could you would not be here defending it. You are being allowed to in essence warp scramble a ship without agression or the ability of your target to do anything about it.

You want to target me and gank me im all for it. Thats EVE and thats the risk I run leaving station. But the ability to perma warp scram a freighter without any negative effects on you is not what EVE is about. If so Warp scramblers would not cause aggression in Hi sec.


Except it's not warp scrambling, it's bumping. If you don't like being bumped in a freighter, use something smaller. There is consequences for all actions in this game & I've already gone over the negative consequences of bumping which do exist no matter how much you try to claim they don't. You can either take measures to avoid it or continue being a victim.

Just because you believe it's a broken game mechanic & should be an exploit doesn't make it a broken game mechanic & an exploit.


Does it have the same effect on my ship as warp scrambling? Yes infact it does so how is it any different. The only difference is the bumper takes no risk. The ganker firing at me is taking risk sure but he is only able to do this because there is a pilot there avoiding all risk by bumping.

The reason Im here is because I think it should be deemed and exploit. Atleast Freighter gate bumping that is.
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#309 - 2012-11-30 20:04:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Mallak Azaria
Ahvram wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Ahvram wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Ahvram wrote:
Its great how everyone has and answer for miner bumping but no one can give a solid reason how locking a frieghter down (Basically warp scram without aggression) is valid.


It's great how the people doing said freighter ganking have repeatedly offered advice on how to avoid it, but you ignore it because goons. Ironically, the people who take our advice don't complain about this non-issue.



Im sorry I should not have to go out of my way to avoid a broken game mechanic that should basically be and exploit because you cant achieve your goals otherwise. If you could you would not be here defending it. You are being allowed to in essence warp scramble a ship without agression or the ability of your target to do anything about it.

You want to target me and gank me im all for it. Thats EVE and thats the risk I run leaving station. But the ability to perma warp scram a freighter without any negative effects on you is not what EVE is about. If so Warp scramblers would not cause aggression in Hi sec.


Except it's not warp scrambling, it's bumping. If you don't like being bumped in a freighter, use something smaller. There is consequences for all actions in this game & I've already gone over the negative consequences of bumping which do exist no matter how much you try to claim they don't. You can either take measures to avoid it or continue being a victim.

Just because you believe it's a broken game mechanic & should be an exploit doesn't make it a broken game mechanic & an exploit.


Does it have the same effect on my ship as warp scrambling? Yes infact it does so how is it any different. The only difference is the bumper takes no risk. The ganker firing at me is taking risk sure but he is only able to do this because there is a pilot there avoiding all risk by bumping.

And the reason Im here is because I think it should be deemed and exploit.


No it does not have the same effect as warp scrambling or for a few reasons. The bumper could miss (it happens) & you could escape. The bumper could accidentally bump you in an unintended direction, causing you to enter warp. You could have an alt or a friend webbing you, causing you to enter warp within a couple of seconds. These are all potential risks that the bumper has accepted. I could go on about the countermeasures & probably would if they were not already well publicised. All it really comes down to is you wanting to haul ten of billions worth of goods in your freighter with less risk, which you could actually do if you took the measures to mitigate that risk like most people already do.

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Ahvram
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#310 - 2012-11-30 20:12:37 UTC



No it does not have the same effect as warp scrambling or for a few reasons. The bumper could miss (it happens) & you could escape. The bumper could accidentally bump you in an unintended direction, causing you to enter warp. You could have an alt or a friend webbing you, causing you to enter warp within a couple of seconds. I could go on about the countermeasures & probably would if they were not already well publicised.[/quote]


You would have to have your eyes closed to miss a frieghter on a bump... O wait there is this cool button called Approch Id figure you as a Pro goon would know what that was but go figure...... Bumped into warp LOL man this gets better and better. And I guess CCP will provide me a free alt account with a webbing toon as now GOONs deem it as the way your required to move a frieghter around to avoid being Goon scrammed (bumped) All invalid points.

Murk Paradox
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#311 - 2012-11-30 20:18:37 UTC
Ahvram wrote:



No it does not have the same effect as warp scrambling or for a few reasons. The bumper could miss (it happens) & you could escape. The bumper could accidentally bump you in an unintended direction, causing you to enter warp. You could have an alt or a friend webbing you, causing you to enter warp within a couple of seconds. I could go on about the countermeasures & probably would if they were not already well publicised.



You would have to have your eyes closed to miss a frieghter on a bump... O wait there is this cool button called Approch Id figure you as a Pro goon would know what that was but go figure...... Bumped into warp LOL man this gets better and better. And I guess CCP will provide me a free alt account with a webbing toon as now GOONs deem it as the way your required to move a frieghter around to avoid being Goon scrammed (bumped) All invalid points.

[/quote]


Uh.... Mallak is right. Those techniques do work. Not really "invalid" just maybe... "impractical" if you refuse to employ them, or ask a friend for assistance.

But yes, if you insist on not using a scout or d-scan and insist a freighter is perfectly safe to move millions and billions of isk... then Mallak and his fleet deserve your money.

Or just use a smaller ship, multiple trips. Or better.... pay someone to escort/scout!

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Ahvram
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#312 - 2012-11-30 20:25:56 UTC
Murk Paradox wrote:
Ahvram wrote:



No it does not have the same effect as warp scrambling or for a few reasons. The bumper could miss (it happens) & you could escape. The bumper could accidentally bump you in an unintended direction, causing you to enter warp. You could have an alt or a friend webbing you, causing you to enter warp within a couple of seconds. I could go on about the countermeasures & probably would if they were not already well publicised.



You would have to have your eyes closed to miss a frieghter on a bump... O wait there is this cool button called Approch Id figure you as a Pro goon would know what that was but go figure...... Bumped into warp LOL man this gets better and better. And I guess CCP will provide me a free alt account with a webbing toon as now GOONs deem it as the way your required to move a frieghter around to avoid being Goon scrammed (bumped) All invalid points.




Uh.... Mallak is right. Those techniques do work. Not really "invalid" just maybe... "impractical" if you refuse to employ them, or ask a friend for assistance.

But yes, if you insist on not using a scout or d-scan and insist a freighter is perfectly safe to move millions and billions of isk... then Mallak and his fleet deserve your money.

Or just use a smaller ship, multiple trips. Or better.... pay someone to escort/scout![/quote]

I do use scouts and have stopped using my frieghter for any loads over a billion isk thats not the point. The point is the ability to basically warp scramble a frieghter without aggression. You have the full ability to lock another players ship down with them having no means to stop you. If you tried to do this the way it was intended with a warp scrambler you would be concorded. You are using and exploiting a broken game mechanic to avoid using the one and only pvp module that can prevent a player from warping.
Zak Fey
Blades of Dawn
Stribog Clade
#313 - 2012-11-30 20:32:10 UTC
Ahvram wrote:
Murk Paradox wrote:
Ahvram wrote:



No it does not have the same effect as warp scrambling or for a few reasons. The bumper could miss (it happens) & you could escape. The bumper could accidentally bump you in an unintended direction, causing you to enter warp. You could have an alt or a friend webbing you, causing you to enter warp within a couple of seconds. I could go on about the countermeasures & probably would if they were not already well publicised.



You would have to have your eyes closed to miss a frieghter on a bump... O wait there is this cool button called Approch Id figure you as a Pro goon would know what that was but go figure...... Bumped into warp LOL man this gets better and better. And I guess CCP will provide me a free alt account with a webbing toon as now GOONs deem it as the way your required to move a frieghter around to avoid being Goon scrammed (bumped) All invalid points.




Uh.... Mallak is right. Those techniques do work. Not really "invalid" just maybe... "impractical" if you refuse to employ them, or ask a friend for assistance.

But yes, if you insist on not using a scout or d-scan and insist a freighter is perfectly safe to move millions and billions of isk... then Mallak and his fleet deserve your money.

Or just use a smaller ship, multiple trips. Or better.... pay someone to escort/scout!


I do use scouts and have stopped using my frieghter for any loads over a billion isk thats not the point. The point is the ability to basically warp scramble a frieghter without aggression. You have the full ability to lock another players ship down with them having no means to stop you. If you tried to do this the way it was intended with a warp scrambler you would be concorded. You are using and exploiting a broken game mechanic to avoid using the one and only pvp module that can prevent a player from warping.[/quote]
Do you know how many titans and super carriers have died being bumped out of a PoS or bumped so they can't warp away when you have them cap'd but no bubbles on hand. Did any null sec alliance complain when they lost those ships?
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#314 - 2012-11-30 20:35:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Mallak Azaria
Ahvram wrote:
I do use scouts and have stopped using my frieghter for any loads over a billion isk thats not the point. The point is the ability to basically warp scramble a frieghter without aggression. You have the full ability to lock another players ship down with them having no means to stop you. If you tried to do this the way it was intended with a warp scrambler you would be concorded. You are using and exploiting a broken game mechanic to avoid using the one and only pvp module that can prevent a player from warping.


No we don't have the full ability, because there is & always will be ways to avoid it. Try them out some time & be pleasantly surrised.

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Murk Paradox
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#315 - 2012-11-30 20:38:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Murk Paradox
Ahvram wrote:
Murk Paradox wrote:
Ahvram wrote:



No it does not have the same effect as warp scrambling or for a few reasons. The bumper could miss (it happens) & you could escape. The bumper could accidentally bump you in an unintended direction, causing you to enter warp. You could have an alt or a friend webbing you, causing you to enter warp within a couple of seconds. I could go on about the countermeasures & probably would if they were not already well publicised.



You would have to have your eyes closed to miss a frieghter on a bump... O wait there is this cool button called Approch Id figure you as a Pro goon would know what that was but go figure...... Bumped into warp LOL man this gets better and better. And I guess CCP will provide me a free alt account with a webbing toon as now GOONs deem it as the way your required to move a frieghter around to avoid being Goon scrammed (bumped) All invalid points.




Uh.... Mallak is right. Those techniques do work. Not really "invalid" just maybe... "impractical" if you refuse to employ them, or ask a friend for assistance.

But yes, if you insist on not using a scout or d-scan and insist a freighter is perfectly safe to move millions and billions of isk... then Mallak and his fleet deserve your money.

Or just use a smaller ship, multiple trips. Or better.... pay someone to escort/scout!


I do use scouts and have stopped using my frieghter for any loads over a billion isk thats not the point. The point is the ability to basically warp scramble a frieghter without aggression. You have the full ability to lock another players ship down with them having no means to stop you. If you tried to do this the way it was intended with a warp scrambler you would be concorded. You are using and exploiting a broken game mechanic to avoid using the one and only pvp module that can prevent a player from warping. [/quote]


So your complaint is that the ganksquad aren't losing their 5mil cruisers at the cost of you losing your billion isk load?

The result still is the same, You lost Your isk. Regardless if their cruiser died or not, is hardly relevant, but ok, can't make you think the way you do =)

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Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#316 - 2012-11-30 20:42:23 UTC
Ahvram wrote:

You would have to have your eyes closed to miss a frieghter on a bump... O wait there is this cool button called Approch Id figure you as a Pro goon would know what that was but go figure...... Bumped into warp LOL man this gets better and better. And I guess CCP will provide me a free alt account with a webbing toon as now GOONs deem it as the way your required to move a frieghter around to avoid being Goon scrammed (bumped) All invalid points.



Your entire argument (most of it containing hilariously wrong information) is based around the premisis that you don't like goons. Here's a shocker: We're not the only ones killing freighters in highsec.

Perhaps people would take you seriously if you could come up with valid points that contain factual information, instead of making stuff up such as people bumping ABC ore miners, solo destroyers ganking miners, destroyers bumping freighters & ABLOOBLOOBLOO GOONS.

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Ahvram
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#317 - 2012-11-30 20:50:10 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Ahvram wrote:
I do use scouts and have stopped using my frieghter for any loads over a billion isk thats not the point. The point is the ability to basically warp scramble a frieghter without aggression. You have the full ability to lock another players ship down with them having no means to stop you. If you tried to do this the way it was intended with a warp scrambler you would be concorded. You are using and exploiting a broken game mechanic to avoid using the one and only pvp module that can prevent a player from warping.


No we don't have the full ability, because there is & always will be ways to avoid it. Try them out some time & be pleasantly surrised.



Please enlighten me on how a solo freighter pilot can prevent this from happening? Remember this can be done anywhere at any time so avoiding hot systems isnt and answer thats valid. Using and alt or corpmate last I check wasnt required in the ships description to pilot it.
Murk Paradox
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#318 - 2012-11-30 20:53:28 UTC
Ahvram wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Ahvram wrote:
I do use scouts and have stopped using my frieghter for any loads over a billion isk thats not the point. The point is the ability to basically warp scramble a frieghter without aggression. You have the full ability to lock another players ship down with them having no means to stop you. If you tried to do this the way it was intended with a warp scrambler you would be concorded. You are using and exploiting a broken game mechanic to avoid using the one and only pvp module that can prevent a player from warping.


No we don't have the full ability, because there is & always will be ways to avoid it. Try them out some time & be pleasantly surrised.



Please enlighten me on how a solo freighter pilot can prevent this from happening? Remember this can be done anywhere at any time so avoiding hot systems isnt and answer thats valid. Using and alt or corpmate last I check wasnt required in the ships description to pilot it.



Ohh boy. You know you don't have to be solo to lose your ship either?

While you might be solo, and piloting a freighter.. chances are you won't be arriving in one.

And you also realizing that to PILOT something means you need to plot a course, and check the route and check the "weather" and all that crap right? You know, be prepared for, wait for it, the inevitable.

But nonono, by all means, use that autopilot button to its full effect.

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Ahvram
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#319 - 2012-11-30 20:53:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Ahvram
Ahvram wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Ahvram wrote:
I do use scouts and have stopped using my frieghter for any loads over a billion isk thats not the point. The point is the ability to basically warp scramble a frieghter without aggression. You have the full ability to lock another players ship down with them having no means to stop you. If you tried to do this the way it was intended with a warp scrambler you would be concorded. You are using and exploiting a broken game mechanic to avoid using the one and only pvp module that can prevent a player from warping.


No we don't have the full ability, because there is & always will be ways to avoid it. Try them out some time & be pleasantly surrised.



Please enlighten me on how a solo freighter pilot can prevent this from happening? Remember this can be done anywhere at any time so avoiding hot systems isnt and answer thats valid. Using and alt or corpmate last I check wasnt required in the ships description to pilot it.



I just reference goons because your history shows you exploit and defend it to the death intill CCP makes it official. Its been this way for years.

And if you look back I corrected My ABC ore quote. Also Yes I dont like goons but I think EVE would not be the same place without you. Its acctually a rush to out run your camps and fight you guys when you jump up to my home system for your jita runs ect. Im all about this dont get me wrong. But the freighter bumping thing is another one of those things that needs fixing.
Von Kroll
Find The Halflings
WE FORM BL0B University
#320 - 2012-11-30 20:54:04 UTC
my problem is that large groups like goons are allowed to sit in niarja and take 5 macharials and hold up a freighter indefinitely without the person being attacked left any defense. I think that the process of take a condor point the freighter and have machariels bump the freighter until the pilot logs off and then is left in space for 15minutes or they gather enough forces to gank the character. I think that if they want to gank they should have to commit to the gank. Don't know if it's possible but after so many bumps a ship should be flagged as aggressed.. if it's not possible to program that then the 15 minute "aggression" timer that keeps a ship in space that hasn't actually committed any aggression should be taken out of high sec. The 15minute timer was put in so that super caps couldn't just log off and get their super cap away. That mechanic doesn't need to be in high sec because there are no super caps. If a character in high sec commits actual aggression (e.g. point, shoot ect..) then the 15 minute timer should apply. But a freighter jumping through a gate and getting pointed by a condor doesn't constitute aggression and that freighter pilot should be allowed to log off and disappear in the normal time.