Crime & Punishment

The whole point of an extortion is to make it more expensive for you to defend yourself than to simply bend over and pay up. If you think the difference in cost is too great, congratulations: you've just determined the ISK-value of your dignity.

Check again, most of the bumpers are in player corps which are wardeccable, admittedly you'd be a fool to take some of those corps on.



Once again, double check your sources, most of the bumpers are using Stabbers and the like to bump barges, these are cruiser class vessels, not exactly a tough nut to crack, especially when fitted for bumping, the Machs only come out to deal with orcas as they're considerably harder to move.

On a side note it's completely feasible to tank an exhumer to levels rivalling that of a battlecruiser thus allowing time for Concord to turn up and the exhumer to survive a suicide attempt, it's just that most miners don't because it impacts the yield of their ship, hell you can get 16k ehp out of a retriever, just by using 2 low slots and some rigs, you even get to keep the single mid slot free for a survey scanner, and that's a ship made of the really cheap toilet paper schools use.

Its just one bump one time right? Not getting pushed all over a belt and stalked to the station for non payment just to be perma bump again as soon as you undock and hit a belt. I love you you try to claim so much innocents. Griefers always play soft when defending the exploitation tactics.

Have you tried going to a different belt, or a different system entirely? Abudban, Halaima and Tolle are our systems after all.

I think if someone pursues you and bumps you that incessantly then it already counts as the against-the-rules kind of harassment.

Yes.

Rather than nerf bumping because miners hate paying informal "taxes", I'd suggest that CCP go in the opposite direction. Create formalized methods of tax collection in highsec, extending the quasi-sovereignty/taxation concept not just to ice miners, but to all miners and perhaps all professions. Create "ownership" of grids. Then grids become something worth fighting over. Player versus player conflict is created. Conflict is the soul of Eve. Conflict is good.

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For example, consider a system in which a new "player owned tax station" (POTS) is created. A POTS is a small anchorable structure, something like a GSC. Perhaps 200m^3. There is a limit of no more than one of them anchored on any given grid at one time. A POCO, POS, gate or station is considered to have one of them by default, so you cannot anchor one there. (Or maybe you can. Hmm.) Similarly a handful of newbie systems are marked "no taxation" at the system level. However, all other grid locations in highsec may have a POTS anchored if players choose to. Because a corporate role is required to anchor, they cannot be used by players in NPC corps.

A POTS stays anchored for no longer than 26 hours. (2 hours more than a day allows for daily maintenance without undue annoyance to the owning players who have real world schedules.) After that time it will automatically unanchor and become free for anyone to take. Thus they require daily interaction to maintain. For lowsec, nullsec, and wspace create permanent POTS akin to POCOs.

The owner of a POTS can set its tax rate, which is a flat fee for 15 minutes present on that grid. By default when the thing is anchored make it be, oh, say, 1m ISK per 15 minutes. The owner can change the tax rate to whatever he wants. Allow different rates to be configured according to corporate relations, like POCOs.

Any player on the grid is taxed. Every 15 minutes, every player on grid gets a dialog demanding tax payment. (The first minute is free. That's plenty of time to look around and decide if you want to use the grid.) You can hit "yes, pay my taxes" to pay them. There's also a "no" button. The dialog stays up for, say, one minute and then automatically is declined. If a player is still on the grid when he declines to pay, he's a thief and he gets an aggression timer just as if he stole from a jetcan owned by the corp owning the POTS. So you can use a grid for up to 2 minutes for free. For longer periods, you have to pay tax or risk legal aggression.

The sovereign over the system in which a POTS is placed can set a taxation rate on POTS taxes, from 0 to 100%. The empire rate is 10%. (Combined with permanent POTS and some sort of logging of declines, this gives nullsec sovereigns a reasonable way to tax mining.)

POTS can be blown up. Attacking one when you are not at war with the owner is Concorded. They should killable even against Concord protection by a medium sized ganker gang, so give them freighter-like EHP (150000 or so). Of course if you are at war with the owner, even solo you should easily kill one in a few minutes. Permanent POTS should have significantly more hitpoints.

Note how this solves the bumping "problem". Each contested belt will now be "owned" by someone, either by a mining corp or by a miner-exploiting corp. If it's a mining corp, then anyone bumping who stays on grid for more than 1 minute out of 15 must pay taxes, and the corp can set these taxes arbitrarily high on non-corp members (or just those with bad relations) to exclude such "undesirables". I.e. they can set the tax rate to 100 million ISK per 15 minutes or whatever. If a bumper declines to pay, and remains on grid, he aggresses and the mining corp can legally terminate him without Concord interference. Alternatively, a corp desiring to exploit miners may take control of a belt; in this case, they have every incentive to want the miners mining, not bumped.

"Farms and fields". Bring them to highsec.

What THEY choose to do is not in question for what YOU choose to do. You fail before you even try at that point. Why bother undocking then at all?

My two cents:

I have not bumped miners so far nor do I intend to bump miners in the future. If I ever pass by a miner, which happens very rarely- be it in a catalyst - I will start shooting and will lose my ship over it.

Having that said I think miner-bumping as an idea to create content is a good initiative.

I do not know to what degree the agents of the NO(new Order) are linked and organized but as far as I understand it they demand a mining fee and as soon as it is paid a one year allowence is issued and the miner in question is set to blue...hell they even get orca boost as far as I know.

I guess by now miner bumping is not only done by NO affiliates exclusivly anymore and so there will be enough random douchebags bumping players out of range of their rocks no matter if they pay them or not. (I am pretty sure even some miners have made alts to do that to their fellow colleagues...).
That is not the finest way to treat other people but...life is not fair .

In the real world one could say:

To my knowledge Oliver Wendell Holmes Jr. does not play Eve...

In Eve they say:

Quote:

"Progress... ...what is it?
Out here progress is numbers
Millimetres, kilometres,
Head counts, death tolls
This is progress.

Colonies burned
Ships destroyed
People killed
Money earned

It all comes at a price
and if the price is right
I'll set the universe on fire."

So for the sake of the game we all play and love:
Not another lex miner
No to bumping changes.

Bumping is not a crime...botting is.

Just because someone can do something better doesn't mean it's broken.

Also, take a look at how impressive the Stabber is. Fleet issue even more so. Truly an overpowered hull. Even though there's no enforcement of using 1 hull, the Stabber is the bread and butter of Code enforcers.(I personally use an omen because well, I like the ship. Although I might use the maller since I like those too). Thank you for the loaded question however, as passive aggressiveness definitely contributes to the thread. (See what I did there?)

Last post on minerbumping.com is a mini guide what to train and how to fit a nice ganking catalyst. But you know, miners can train for those too. Can you imagine how much propaganda you could spin after suicide ganking bumping crew? But to do it you would need that thing, how is it called? Oh, I know: BALLS!

We're at risk of missing, being ignored & being suicide ganked. People choose not to do these things & by default, choose to be a victim.