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New dev blog: Ship-troduction: The Minmatar Tornado

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#161 - 2011-10-21 16:05:32 UTC
Yuko Ostus wrote:
I like new toys but wont this totally screw over the ganking game in the favor of the ganker? Massive dps and low cost, this wont go well with miners and haulers....
Ganking needs to be improved anyway, so that's just two birds with one stone.
Chicken Pizza
One-man Armada
#162 - 2011-10-21 16:06:41 UTC
Gogela wrote:
BTW... ain't nothin' wrong with being Caldari. The great thing about Caldari is the ability to tank large amounts of damage for a very short while. ...for low sec pirates that is ideal. And yes, the bar for entry is low, so it encourages a healthy pirate population. Just my 2 ISK...


For the pirates that I deal with daily, it's just another battlecruiser to fit a cyno on...

I will agree that there is nothing wrong with flying Caldari ships. I was just pointing out the likelihood of this new ship replacing drakes as the new derpfleet ship.
Ravcharas
Infinite Point
Pandemic Horde
#163 - 2011-10-21 16:06:48 UTC
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But when reviewing the armadas of existing ships we came to the conclusion that it would make much more sense to add another tier of battlecruisers instead of a fourth battleship tier, and that the accessibility of bc skills would mean more of these ships might be in the hands of younger, brasher pilots.

The difference between BC and BS from a blank char is like four or five days. It's the large gun specializations that kills you.
Laktos
Perkone
Caldari State
#164 - 2011-10-21 16:09:47 UTC
Tippia wrote:
David Grogan wrote:
no it will be a glass cannon battlecruiser......... read the dev blog again only this time slowly
Actually, that's the problem: they won't be glasss cannon battlecruisers based on that description. They will tank worse than battleships, but so what? Battlecruisers already do that, so that's not a drawback. Going by that, they will be normal battlecruisers (which can tank plenty) with large cannons…

…so more like iron cannons — not as good as steel ones, but close enough.


CCP have said they will not tank like battleships. That does not mean they will tank like battlecruisers, the dev blog did not put a limit on how little they will tank, only on how much they can tank.

I imagine they will only be able to field the tank of a shield hurricane or brutix. Which will balance out their large dps and make them massive primary targets in fleet battles, diminishing their value.

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Sarmatiko
#165 - 2011-10-21 16:10:21 UTC
CCP Navigator wrote:
The Gallente ship is really freakin gorgeous. You may need a change of pants when we showcase that one Big smile

New gallente battlecruiser is like a fresh wind in the EVE universe. Brave and manly design inspired by classic Elite Lol
Raid'En
#166 - 2011-10-21 16:10:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Raid'En
Ravcharas wrote:

The difference between BC and BS from a blank char is like four or five days. It's the large gun specializations that kills you.


i think they consider new chars won't use tech2 guns
Chicken Pizza
One-man Armada
#167 - 2011-10-21 16:12:08 UTC
David Grogan wrote:
Chicken Pizza wrote:
David Grogan wrote:
CCP Masterplan wrote:
To My Hurricane:
Sorry, I've found something else.
Something vertical



hehe RIP welpcane HELLOOOOOOOOOOO welpnado


also it keeps in tune with wind based storms for the minmatar battlecruisers

cyclone, hurricane, tornado, if ever a tier 4 one comes out what is left to name it with? Gale?


Whirlwind, twister, the list goes on. :)



aint a twister another name for a tornado?



Main Entry: tornado  [tawr-ney-doh]
Part of Speech: noun
Definition: weather event
Synonyms: cyclone, funnel, storm, twister, typhoon, whirlwind, wind

I think we're beyond synonyms at this point.
David Grogan
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#168 - 2011-10-21 16:13:12 UTC
Sarmatiko wrote:
CCP Navigator wrote:
The Gallente ship is really freakin gorgeous. You may need a change of pants when we showcase that one Big smile

New gallente battlecruiser is like a fresh wind in the EVE universe. Brave and manly design inspired by classic Elite Lol



man they can't use that model........... starwars would be all over them like a rash on hooker's crotch

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BeanBagKing
The Order of Atlas
#169 - 2011-10-21 16:13:47 UTC
I can't wait to get the gallente one so I can fit a caldari shield tank on it and some large minmatar guns =D
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#170 - 2011-10-21 16:14:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Laktos wrote:
CCP have said they will not tank like battleships. That does not mean they will tank like battlecruisers, the dev blog did not put a limit on how little they will tank, only on how much they can tank.
Yes, but the wording is indicative of a rather flawed thinking: they get the benefit of BS guns, and the supposed price for this is “not a BS tank” which is not a price at all.
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I imagine they will only be able to field the tank of a shield hurricane or brutix. Which will balance out their large dps and make them massive primary targets in fleet battles, diminishing their value.
No, it does not balance it out. It means they don't lose any tanking ability compared to the other BCs, and get extra damage output out of nowhere, with no drawbacks.

If they were given the tanks of a shield-tanked thorax or rupture, then we'd be talking balance: weapons one size higher — tank one size lower (edit: ok, not necessarily shield tanked at that point… but still, no longer a BC-level tank).
David Grogan
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#171 - 2011-10-21 16:15:25 UTC
lol must war dec high sec pos owners when the new bpos come out.... get the edge on building them while they cant stick them in their pos labs for fear of losing them

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Digital Gaidin
Manetheren Rising
#172 - 2011-10-21 16:15:44 UTC
So basically CCP is introducing Pocket Battleships into EVE?

Cool.... Big smile
Cade Windstalker
#173 - 2011-10-21 16:15:50 UTC
Just a note, not all BC can fit a nutty tank. They may reduce the Powergrid and CPU in exchange for a bonus to fitting large guns.
Laktos
Perkone
Caldari State
#174 - 2011-10-21 16:18:54 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Quote:
I imagine they will only be able to field the tank of a shield hurricane or brutix. Which will balance out their large dps and make them massive primary targets in fleet battles, diminishing their value.
No, it does not balance it out. It means they don't lose any tanking ability compared to the other BCs


What on earth are you on about? A standard tanked bc has 70-80k ehp. 40k is half that. If they can reach 40k at max, then that is a reduced tanking ability compared to a standard battlecruiser.

And btw, t1 cruisers can tank 40k ehp. Shield hurricanes and brutixes tank 40k ehp.

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#175 - 2011-10-21 16:23:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Laktos wrote:
What on earth are you on about? A standard tanked bc has 70-80k ehp. 40k is half that. If they can reach 40k at max, then that is a reduced tanking ability compared to a standard battlecruiser.
I'm on about how you put up normally fitted BCs as an example of how they will be somehow at a disadvantage. There is a reason why people shield-tank their Hurricanes and Brutixes, and that reason remains even with these new ships. So, if these ships achieve the same tank with the same fits, then they are not paying for their additional firepower.

But sure, if you insist: I retract my previous retraction: they should tank like shield-tanked thoraxes and ruptures — gunsize+1 → tanksize-1.
Marie Celeste Engelenhart
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#176 - 2011-10-21 16:25:25 UTC
Will it be cov ops, like a stealthbomber on steroids?
Gogela
Epic Ganking Time
CODE.
#177 - 2011-10-21 16:25:27 UTC
Chicken Pizza wrote:
Gogela wrote:
BTW... ain't nothin' wrong with being Caldari. The great thing about Caldari is the ability to tank large amounts of damage for a very short while. ...for low sec pirates that is ideal. And yes, the bar for entry is low, so it encourages a healthy pirate population. Just my 2 ISK...


For the pirates that I deal with daily, it's just another battlecruiser to fit a cyno on...

I will agree that there is nothing wrong with flying Caldari ships. I was just pointing out the likelihood of this new ship replacing drakes as the new derpfleet ship.


I'll sure grant your that... In fact I'll wager this will usher in a whole new era of "derp" the like of which we've never seen. Should = a lot more explosions though.... good for industry, good for fun factor imho...

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DeadDuck
The Legion of Spoon
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
#178 - 2011-10-21 16:25:58 UTC
OUCH. BC's with BS guns. And FYI that was the original concept when they were created in the beggining of the 20th Century. Lighter ships then BS's but with BS fire power.

Scrap all existing fleet battle's tactics. These baby's are going to reinvente fleet warfare Cool
Burseg Sardaukar
Free State Project
#179 - 2011-10-21 16:26:25 UTC
Hmm... guess my Hulkageddon fleet will be using the Gallente version of these instead of a Brutix.

Can't wait to dual box my Dust toon and EVE toon on the same machine!
Ingvar Angst
Nasty Pope Holding Corp
#180 - 2011-10-21 16:29:25 UTC
Does anyone else see these new BCs getting eaten up by swarms of smaller ships?

"Captain! Tordado sighted dead ahead!"

"Send in the assault frigates!"

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