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New dev blog: Ship-troduction: The Minmatar Tornado

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Chicken Pizza
One-man Armada
#141 - 2011-10-21 15:49:32 UTC
David Grogan wrote:
Alara IonStorm wrote:
I love it!!!!

Please have the Caldari one be Missiles. Please!



lol if the caldari one gets missiles it will be a dangerous ship..... like a heavy bomber if it has torp launchers fitted.... perfect for taking down supers if flown in large groups


It's Caldari, of course it will be flown in large groups of noobs very good players.
Master Akira
Licence To Kill
Mercenary Coalition
#142 - 2011-10-21 15:51:08 UTC
All Cruiser V, BC V, All T2 Large Specs trained crew checking in.

I'll just sit here sipping my mojito until winter Cool
Chicken Pizza
One-man Armada
#143 - 2011-10-21 15:51:24 UTC
David Grogan wrote:
CCP Masterplan wrote:
To My Hurricane:
Sorry, I've found something else.
Something vertical



hehe RIP welpcane HELLOOOOOOOOOOO welpnado


also it keeps in tune with wind based storms for the minmatar battlecruisers

cyclone, hurricane, tornado, if ever a tier 4 one comes out what is left to name it with? Gale?


Whirlwind, twister, the list goes on. :)
Alexander Yukari
The Foundation Of Mammon
#144 - 2011-10-21 15:52:13 UTC
Bloodpetal wrote:



I have to say, that you say it will be easier for newer pilots to get into but then it requires battleship sized guns?


I'd say that's interesting because the major issue at the moment is that T2 Large Guns take WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY more training than training the Battleship skill.


But, hey - I'll take it - the Noobs can suffer at my awesomeness.


But now I have to train T2 Large Projectiles ;p


I see it as nice "bridge" between tier 2 BCs and getting into BSs (with decent skills).
Ravcharas
Infinite Point
Pandemic Horde
#145 - 2011-10-21 15:54:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Ravcharas
David Grogan wrote:
also wont the tier 1 bc now become obsolete?

They kind of already are

Except the brutix maybe
Szilardis
Phoenix Naval Operations
Phoenix Naval Systems
#146 - 2011-10-21 15:54:17 UTC
Personally I'd rather have either a BC with medium guns or a BS with large guns, and vary it up with some nifty bonuses, but oh well...
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#147 - 2011-10-21 15:55:16 UTC
David Grogan wrote:
no it will be a glass cannon battlecruiser......... read the dev blog again only this time slowly
Actually, that's the problem: they won't be glasss cannon battlecruisers based on that description. They will tank worse than battleships, but so what? Battlecruisers already do that, so that's not a drawback. Going by that, they will be normal battlecruisers (which can tank plenty) with large cannons…

…so more like iron cannons — not as good as steel ones, but close enough.
clideb50
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#148 - 2011-10-21 15:55:25 UTC
I don't think these new bc's were intended to replace current bc's but to work with them. instead of just fleets of hurricanes roaming around, it'll be a fleet of hurricanes with a wing of tornadoes to support them should they come across any thing big that might give the hurricanes trouble. I'm interested to see how this turns out.
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#149 - 2011-10-21 15:55:57 UTC
Ravcharas wrote:
David Grogan wrote:
also wont the tier 1 bc now become obsolete?

They kind of already are

brutix owns

but for its role of murdering miners yes gonna be obsolete

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#150 - 2011-10-21 15:56:16 UTC
Grey Stormshadow wrote:
Kewl new toy for suicide gankers. I'm sure they celebrate now.


Ships don't suicide gank people, people do. Big smile

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kunniz
Paisti
#151 - 2011-10-21 15:56:27 UTC
So if it costs 40mil, does damage of battleship, why would anyone fly battleships anymore?

HACs/command ships will be even more useless now
Mr LaForge
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#152 - 2011-10-21 15:58:16 UTC
I'm sorry Drake, but I found something with larger knobs than your heavy missiles. I hope we can still be friends though.

Stuff Goes here
Gogela
Epic Ganking Time
CODE.
#153 - 2011-10-21 15:59:16 UTC
ChromeStriker wrote:
My skill que just changed....


..mine too... need to get that cruise missile specialization up.

Chicken Pizza wrote:
David Grogan wrote:
Alara IonStorm wrote:
I love it!!!!

Please have the Caldari one be Missiles. Please!



lol if the caldari one gets missiles it will be a dangerous ship..... like a heavy bomber if it has torp launchers fitted.... perfect for taking down supers if flown in large groups


It's Caldari, of course it will be flown in large groups of noobs very good players.


BTW... ain't nothin' wrong with being Caldari. The great thing about Caldari is the ability to tank large amounts of damage for a very short while. ...for low sec pirates that is ideal. And yes, the bar for entry is low, so it encourages a healthy pirate population. Just my 2 ISK...

Signatures should be used responsibly...
Kim Telkin
Love for You
#154 - 2011-10-21 16:00:16 UTC
Some assumptions:
* Caldari BC will have the same PG as the drake
* The bonus will be that it can fit BC sized launchers with a 90% reduction in fitting
* No extra damage bonuses

Then I figure that you will just barely be able to squeeze 6 T2 Siege Launchers into the thing. With high damage T2 torps, maxed skills, and 3 BCS II's, pyfit tells me that you'll be doing just about 800 dps.

That doesn't seem like it would be entirely game breaking to me. Especially if you can only buffer 40K or less hitpoints onto the thing.

I'm looking forward to trying it out :)
Jenn Makanen
Doomheim
#155 - 2011-10-21 16:00:23 UTC
kunniz wrote:
So if it costs 40mil, does damage of battleship, why would anyone fly battleships anymore?

HACs/command ships will be even more useless now


Because Battleships will carry more guns? Probably.
Klam
Church of Boom
#156 - 2011-10-21 16:01:05 UTC
A new ship to mix up the stagnating PvP strategies.

Awesome!

These are the types of disruptive changes the players can get behind! I really hope they do have paper thin tanks to help these fit into a rock, paper, scissors game of strategy in fleet composition.

Damage resistance penalty seems the best route to achieve paper-thin ships regardless of power grid.



- Hoping the Gallente one has enough drone bandwidth for a full flight of heavy/sentry. The don't need a super large drone bay (400m like the Dominix). But a Drone bay of 150 with a bandwidth of 125 would enable a single flight of large and light drones.

- Personally, I'm hoping the Caldari one is missile based. Long range Cruise missiles combined with a MWD on a BC sized hull to maintain range. With a paper thin tank.

- The possible capacitor issues on the Amarr ship will be interesting.
David Grogan
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#157 - 2011-10-21 16:01:26 UTC  |  Edited by: David Grogan
EDIT: Forum fail double post

Everytime you buy something that says "made in china" you are helping the rising unemployment in your own country unless you are from china, Buy locally produced goods and help create more jobs.
David Grogan
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#158 - 2011-10-21 16:01:44 UTC
Chicken Pizza wrote:
David Grogan wrote:
CCP Masterplan wrote:
To My Hurricane:
Sorry, I've found something else.
Something vertical



hehe RIP welpcane HELLOOOOOOOOOOO welpnado


also it keeps in tune with wind based storms for the minmatar battlecruisers

cyclone, hurricane, tornado, if ever a tier 4 one comes out what is left to name it with? Gale?


Whirlwind, twister, the list goes on. :)



aint a twister another name for a tornado?

Everytime you buy something that says "made in china" you are helping the rising unemployment in your own country unless you are from china, Buy locally produced goods and help create more jobs.
Yuko Ostus
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#159 - 2011-10-21 16:02:06 UTC
I like new toys but wont this totally screw over the ganking game in the favor of the ganker? Massive dps and low cost, this wont go well with miners and haulers....
Bull Eramix
Tir Capital Management Group
#160 - 2011-10-21 16:03:24 UTC
Congrats to the ship designer. Can't wait to see the rest of them.

To all those panicking about these ships being terribly OP just keep in mind large guns = large tracking. So HACs and lighter ships might have a chance at getting underneath the guns.