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What keeps you from PvPing?

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Fiery Taint
New Eden Motion Pictures
#721 - 2012-11-29 17:54:08 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
There are two types of people in the world: those that think in false dichotomies, and penguins Blink

Haha love it XD
jamesoverlord
Eclipse Strike Unit
Jump On Contact..
#722 - 2012-11-29 17:56:13 UTC
I think the biggest problem at min is the cost of stuff on the market combined with cheap tricks and blobing someone thats new to the game goes out in a ship they really like took ages for them to buy goes out gets blobed think sod that not doing that again or its the idiots that prey on new players by taking advantage of there low knowledge of the game and puts them off doing any pvp

also the lack of people that are willing to teach new players or wants to fc new players is at an all time low

these big sov alliance coalitions is also killing the pvp in sov space they shouldnt be blueing everyone they should all take space and fight for it not blue everyone and there sons to control the whole game where is the fun in that sorry bit off topic there but had to be said


dont troll this just my opinion
Simetraz
State War Academy
Caldari State
#723 - 2012-11-29 18:01:51 UTC
Listen to a bunch of ten year olds scream in vent.
Spend hours roaming around for targets to either gank or be ganked.
Sit on a gate
Sit cloaked in a system waiting for an opportunity.
Structure bashing, POS's etc etc

Been there done that, zero interest.

Funny enough I think the most fun I ever had.
Manning the guns on POS when it got attacked.

But to each there own.



EVERYBODY KNOWS
Tarvos Telesto
Blood Fanatics
#724 - 2012-11-29 19:18:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Tarvos Telesto
Yesterday i lose megathorn at own wish, just jumped tru 6 pirates mini blob, all in huricanes , +100.000ehp melted in 10 sec ( included this new armor module that boost resistance depend dmg type) ;) i dont whine, just want insurance and some fun during this test;) so i die at own wish even i got scout in low sec and i know what happens... but this was to fast, this extremaly low survie time keept me form pvp in most cases, espetialy because is like few hour to fiting and travel to any low sec area... One of things that keept me form pvp.

In general ships explode to fast even capitas under decent but not strong focused fire, so what the point of use Nyx etc while it die in two miniyt or less, to like 20 - 30 battleships...

EvE isn't game, its style of living.
Mehashi 'Kho
New Eden Motion Pictures
#725 - 2012-11-29 20:13:52 UTC
Off the rails? No. Just finding that you are derailing an otherwise interesting thread with misplaced criticism while contributing nothing to it.

To all the new characters, if it is fitting a ship properly for pvp that causes you concern feel free to eve mail me and I can suggest some basic and cheap fittings for the ship of your choice. "Battleclinic" also has a repository of fittings you can browse to get an idea of how other people use their ships.

If its the financial worries that put you off I can understand. I'd certainly recommend starting off in frigates and destroyers for your first pvp experiences. You will likely lose often until you get a feel for it and it helps to keep it cheap. A level 3 mission can net you enough ISK for a t1 fit frigate, a level 4 can get you a t2 fit destroyer plus change. You'd be surprised what you can kill with such cheap ships, and should you lose it'll only take you 1 mission (20-30minutes?) to replace your ship and be back out there attacking people.

If you are looking for a 1v1 that is great and good luck to you, but don't take it outside stations, or in easy to access places like belts and planets. If you find an opponent willing to fight under such terms fleet them and warp to a safe spot and fight there. This way you cut down on neutral interference. If the person drops fleet while you are in the safe spot do your best to spiral out of range or slingshot and disengage, they have likely dropped fleet to fleet friends and have them come to help.

Good luck new guys! Don't let the troll put you off!
Sharise Dragonstar
Big Strong
Hisec Miners
#726 - 2012-11-29 21:44:40 UTC
Would love to get involved in small scale skirmishes but you lose to much training time when in an implantless clone. Wish you could jump clone twice in a 24hr period so i could jump to my pvp clone do a bit of pvp and then when finished jump back into my training clone which has expensive implants.
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#727 - 2012-11-30 00:44:13 UTC
Cloak, Dscan, safe spots and keeping an eye on Local chat channel does a pretty good job of keeping me from PvPing.



DMC

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ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#728 - 2012-11-30 00:45:20 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
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MatrixSkye Mk2
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#729 - 2012-11-30 00:57:48 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Kiteo Hatto wrote:
Well, i just imagine that killboard addicts and "pvp-ers" are like this guy. I simply don't want to deal with it, even in a video game =|.


I can understand that, what I can't understand is why choose a game that is legendary for having that type of player in abundance?

Can't speak for anyone else, but I play in spite of that, not because these types are here in abundance.

Successfully doinitwrong™ since 2006.
Tarvos Telesto
Blood Fanatics
#730 - 2012-11-30 03:50:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Tarvos Telesto
ISD Dorrim Barstorlode wrote:
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Good decision, this therad may be a good source for CCP about things that keept people form pvp, after analysis maybe CCP make pvp more enjoyable for people.

EvE isn't game, its style of living.
Glathull
Warlock Assassins
#731 - 2012-11-30 09:25:11 UTC
37 pages and no one has pointed out that the #1 barrier to PvP in Eve is the amount of sexy-time everyone is having with everyone else's mother?

I'm actually kind of impressed.

I honestly feel like I just read fifty shades of dumb. --CCP Falcon
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#732 - 2012-11-30 13:25:41 UTC
Mehashi 'Kho wrote:
Off the rails? No. Just finding that you are derailing an otherwise interesting thread with misplaced criticism while contributing nothing to it.


Then don't read my posts, very simple.

The fact is, the things CCP would have to do to get more people to pvp (again other than recruiting bikers and gang members, but they are too busy being in real life prision...) would break pvp, in the exact same way the things ccp would have to do to get more people to go to null sec would (more rewards wouldn't do t, the ONLY thing that will get ore people to populate null is a level of safety so high it wouldn't be null anymore)

You want to give new players advice? How about "this game is about defeating obstacles and challenges, if you don't like defeating obstacles and finding new ways to succeed you're not going to enjoy EVE in general or any specific aspect of it". 1 sentence and done.

I hate when people who can't understand what's being told to them claim trolling, I don't troll, I explain to people without a good sound method of thinking why what their posting demonstrates why they are failing.
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#733 - 2012-11-30 13:33:03 UTC
MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Kiteo Hatto wrote:
Well, i just imagine that killboard addicts and "pvp-ers" are like this guy. I simply don't want to deal with it, even in a video game =|.


I can understand that, what I can't understand is why choose a game that is legendary for having that type of player in abundance?

Can't speak for anyone else, but I play in spite of that, not because these types are here in abundance.



That's your choice, one i think is really really bad but to each his own. if that type of player bothers you, playing this game is like trying to be a bee keeper for purposes of making honey while being deathly allergic to bee stings, sure you might make a little bit of money ....until you get stung to death.

I find EVE's evil, hardcore take no prisoners community (outside of general discussion lol) to be incredible, the creativeness of the scammers, the gankers, the space-lords and big fleet commanders ect ect to be amazing. I take a great big bit of gamer pride from the fact that I can survive and even thrive in a universe where soooooo many people (evidenced by sooo many GD posts) can't figure out how to hack it and have to resort to "I can't do nothin because they won't let me play my playstyle in peace".
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#734 - 2012-11-30 13:36:48 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Mehashi 'Kho wrote:
Off the rails? No. Just finding that you are derailing an otherwise interesting thread with misplaced criticism while contributing nothing to it.


Then don't read my posts, very simple.

The fact is, the things CCP would have to do to get more people to pvp (again other than recruiting bikers and gang members, but they are too busy being in real life prision...) would break pvp, in the exact same way the things ccp would have to do to get more people to go to null sec would (more rewards wouldn't do t, the ONLY thing that will get ore people to populate null is a level of safety so high it wouldn't be null anymore)

You want to give new players advice? How about "this game is about defeating obstacles and challenges, if you don't like defeating obstacles and finding new ways to succeed you're not going to enjoy EVE in general or any specific aspect of it". 1 sentence and done.

I hate when people who can't understand what's being told to them claim trolling, I don't troll, I explain to people without a good sound method of thinking why what their posting demonstrates why they are failing.


The Dunning-Kruger Effect is strong in this one Cool

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#735 - 2012-11-30 13:43:03 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Mehashi 'Kho wrote:
Off the rails? No. Just finding that you are derailing an otherwise interesting thread with misplaced criticism while contributing nothing to it.


Then don't read my posts, very simple.

The fact is, the things CCP would have to do to get more people to pvp (again other than recruiting bikers and gang members, but they are too busy being in real life prision...) would break pvp, in the exact same way the things ccp would have to do to get more people to go to null sec would (more rewards wouldn't do t, the ONLY thing that will get ore people to populate null is a level of safety so high it wouldn't be null anymore)

You want to give new players advice? How about "this game is about defeating obstacles and challenges, if you don't like defeating obstacles and finding new ways to succeed you're not going to enjoy EVE in general or any specific aspect of it". 1 sentence and done.

I hate when people who can't understand what's being told to them claim trolling, I don't troll, I explain to people without a good sound method of thinking why what their posting demonstrates why they are failing.


The Dunning-Kruger Effect is strong in this one Cool


Do you see ,Mehashi 'Kho, THIS is an example of the trolling you accused me of, no attempt to address what's actually being discussed.
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#736 - 2012-11-30 13:51:40 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Mehashi 'Kho wrote:
Off the rails? No. Just finding that you are derailing an otherwise interesting thread with misplaced criticism while contributing nothing to it.


Then don't read my posts, very simple.

The fact is, the things CCP would have to do to get more people to pvp (again other than recruiting bikers and gang members, but they are too busy being in real life prision...) would break pvp, in the exact same way the things ccp would have to do to get more people to go to null sec would (more rewards wouldn't do t, the ONLY thing that will get ore people to populate null is a level of safety so high it wouldn't be null anymore)

You want to give new players advice? How about "this game is about defeating obstacles and challenges, if you don't like defeating obstacles and finding new ways to succeed you're not going to enjoy EVE in general or any specific aspect of it". 1 sentence and done.

I hate when people who can't understand what's being told to them claim trolling, I don't troll, I explain to people without a good sound method of thinking why what their posting demonstrates why they are failing.


The Dunning-Kruger Effect is strong in this one Cool


Do you see ,Mehashi 'Kho, THIS is an example of the trolling you accused me of, no attempt to address what's actually being discussed.


Why don't you try attempting to discuss without making yourself out to be the "Jesus of EVE" or whatever it is you think you are? People might laugh at you a lot less if you stop pretending to be our messiah come to save us from our stupidity. All you're telling everyone is that they're stupid; what's constructive about that?

FYI, you should really look up what Dunning-Kruger Effect is, because I assure you, I was not trolling, just making an observation (by your very own logic, of course Blink)

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#737 - 2012-11-30 13:58:18 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:

Why don't you try attempting to discuss without making yourself out to be the "Jesus of EVE" or whatever it is you think you are? People might laugh at you a lot less if you stop pretending to be our messiah come to save us from our stupidity. All you're telling everyone is that they're stupid; what's constructive about that?


What's construcive about it is you don't end up in space-hell, which I as space-jesus can send you to. And i can' it's only like 2 jumps from Jita.

Quote:

FYI, you should really look up what Dunning-Kruger Effect is, because I assure you, I was not trolling, just making an observation (by your very own logic, of course Blink)


Your "observation" isn't just incorrect, it's stupid. you'd have to observe my competence at playing the game before making any kind of judgement.

It is typical of people with low self esteem to project their failings on to others, You yourself have made posts displaying some rather funny in-game incompetence, you are in no position to judge.

This thread is about why people don't pvp. I'm simply pointing out that some of them are making excuses.
Tarvos Telesto
Blood Fanatics
#738 - 2012-11-30 14:02:56 UTC
People stay on topic, here 37 sites filed with topics about why people avoid pvp or what keept them form pvp, and ofc filed with some oftopic and personal counteer atacks posts like ( pvp is fine,i like pvp and you dont, im better than you...) Remember for meny people pvp is realy good stuf, while other dislike pvp for some reasons.

In fact meny people like pvp but a lot pepole dont.... stop force people to like pvp because you think they wrong, and they should play like you play, let them post here, like i mention before this therad may be good informations source for CCP.

EvE isn't game, its style of living.
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#739 - 2012-11-30 14:04:32 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:

Your "observation" isn't just incorrect, it's stupid. you'd have to observe my competence at playing the game before making any kind of judgement.


And yet you repeatedly make "observations" of everyone else's capabilities in the game without observing their competence yourself..... you should look up irony while you're looking up Dunning-Kruger.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Caliph Muhammed
Perkone
Caldari State
#740 - 2012-11-30 14:17:05 UTC
Concord.