EVE General Discussion

And yet you still do, like a moth to a flame. I won't bother with the rest, it's nonsense, but like the other poster you're trying to blame me for your mistake (in this case, the accusation that I somehow suggest "pvp is the only thing").

You're uneducated assertion that EVE would be fine without it's biggest , most basic economic driver (combat pvp) is simply wrong. sorry if you don't understand that, most of the rest of us do.

To be on topic.

1. Finding fights is always terrible and time consuming, and when you do find them usually one side greatly outnumbers the other side and one side is trying to flee, while the other side is blobbing them, no fun.

2. I've been in corps that demand you always PvP when on, CTA's, all that crap. These usually just end up being blobs of ships jumping gates, having a scout report a few ships ahead, the blob jumps in and maybe might bet to blow something up. It takes too long to form up said group, you jump 20 some gates to find anything, and then you may not get a fight, then you end up spending an hour flying back to base or logging in a hostile area. This process takes 3-4 hours or longer, leaving no time to generate isk to fly said ships in said CTA's. I don't have that kind of time to spend in one session. I might play for an hour or two at a time, but thats it.

3. The economics part of this game with industry, trading, and resource gathering is much more interesting to me and suits the time I have to commit to playing this game.

4. Gate camping is terrible and not what I consider to be challenging PvP. Essentially you all sit around a gate for hours talking on TS and blow up every ship that comes through that most of the time has no real chance of escaping a good gate camp. If a true blob comes to fight, the scout on the other side usually warns the others who either flee or fight depending on the incoming ships. This is boring and unfulfilling.

5. POS bashes suck and are boring. Again long tedious form ups and hours and hours of flying and shooting at stationary targets that rarely have a chance of survival. If there is a defending fleet of real size the lag is so bad you only get off a handful of shots and the server cry's and quits on both sides causing disconnects and freeze frame play.

So in my case I blame both the social aspect and the game mechanics for lack of wanting to PvP.

That's the flip side of the coin. I enjoy EVE PVE (when so many say it's boring), so much so that i've litterally created a pve empire to have something to do all the time when i want to unwind and stock up the old wallet. 1 toon that does incursions, 2 in low sec to run lvl 5 missions, 2 in null sec to blitz anoms, one with standings to pirate factions for pirate lp goodness ect ect.

Some pvp players do the exact opposite of the anti-pvp crowd, they don't really explore the PVE content but are ready to decide "this isn't fun, why is anyone doing this". Moving a rattlesnake through low sec, dodging campers (sometimes even fighting, maybe winning , maybe losing) and probers while tanking thousands of dps from rats and making a lot of isk and LP then having to get back to a station 4 jumps away through the same low sec (for example) is plenty fun to me.

Has this thread been resurrected from oblivion ? AT the risk of already posting in here in the past, here goes:

I spend large amounts of time in Low sec and conduct a lot of business there. But, I stealth, I do not PvP.

This may be flame war territory, but EvE PvP is not "real" PvP. You know the old saying, "If you are in a fair fight, you are doing it wrong." This is quite true. Most hardcode PvPers must have the feeling that they are in a fair fight. If so, then they can fairly test their skills against other players/teams. If it is 5 V1 or 25 V 3 - that has the feel of utter futility, so why bother.

In games like Team Fortress II, the teams are always well matched gear wise, so it is skill v skill. Now, in TF II, PvP takes total focus and the only thing I can do is PvP. In SWTOR, I can respond to in-game chat and PvP. In EvE, I can carry on a conversation in the physical game room, repsond to in-game chat, and still PvP. This is factual and can be objectified by a stop watch. And due to this reality, many people feel that EvE PvP requires little to no skill. And it's the skill behind the keyboard that makes PvP worthwhile. Coversely, the lack of need for advanced "behind the keyboard" skills in EvE PvP makes it pointless - you cannot win based upon hard learned skills because it's Blob v Blob not to mention very very boring for someone accustomed to the insanely high paced total focus of games like Team Fortress II.

The pain of losing is a disincentive, not a thrill factor. In most FPSs, the focus is on PvP with a short break in action if you die. The death penalties in EvE simply costs in ISK and time too much and when you lose. This is a far cry from the 3 minute time out and back to the action mode in most FPSs. In my thinking, if you need a death penalty to feel the thrill, then you miss the whole point of PvP. In a game of hoops between friends, nobody loses the car they came in. Yet, they enjoy a no real loss PvP scenario = tons of fun.

Bottom line: I PvP in other games. I agree with many/most/all of my hardocre PvP chums: EvE PvP blows, so why do it. It is sort of odd that it works out that way because EvE is supposed to be a PvP focused game. Maybe back when EvE was a new game player's perceptions were different...

If I do want a thrilling PvP experience, I'll choose games that give me that experience, or I'll play touch football or shoot some hoops with buds.

" What keeps you from PvPing?"

The players.

At first I am all like http://clip2net.com/page/m170327/36296968 "omg this is going to be a close fight!"

Then I'm all http://clip2net.com/page/m170327/36297015 "ah... lame."

The BC aggressed me, I thought, hey why not! Once I had killed his drones he has 2 friends come to rep him, and the Lord maagnus guy kept coming back dropping and abandoning new drones for the BC to attack me with. Fair enough some people are afraid of losing, but the trolling coming from the maagnus guy as if he was some sort of pro pvper make me think it's probably better not to bother at all if the only way to succeed is to bring logistics and backup to defeat an opponent 3 ship classes smaller than myself...

So I left, and returned to station trading.

Why did you give up?
I didn't finish my popcorn and i still a few hours to waste on forums

EDIT: and to be on topic, i like more wasting the times of 'PvP'ers than actually fight.
Sometimes they get me with bubbles, sometimes with smart bombs but kestrels and rifters are cheap so ... everything is fine :)

I didn't accuse you or blame you of anything, I was merely correcting your mistake, but like any typical brick wall, you think you have nothing to learn, hence why "I won't bother with the rest" - the only part of what I said that you have any response to does nothing to address the issue. So while you're complaining about being accused of strawman arguments, you're simultaneously making them.

I understand what you'r saying completely - it's been said before about Australian mining, and American cars, all apparent market drivers for those particular entities that have all survived without their market-driving commodity. "YOUR" uneducated assertion is the assertion that I'm uneducated, but you can't even get the difference between "your" and "you're". I doubt, given your incredible lack of basic syntax, that you could fully comprehend such a nuanced economy as that of EVE online.

I'm like under a month old and I've tried pvping but unless I'm in a fleet I tend to just get popped so fast it's silly.

The fear of losing my precious ship keep me from PvPing

-blob gatecamps
-players attitude and smugness
-if you are not in blob fleet, you dont have a chance
-if you are in blob fleet = boring
-no more small gang PvP. quality of fights does not count, only quantity