EVE General Discussion

Circa 2006.

Same reason as everyone else.

What's the point? When it's supposed to be 'meaningful PvP' where 'losses matter' why PvP for the 'lulz'? The motto's conflict.

Any PvP I have been a part of in EVE was cut and dry before the locks took. There was no pressure. It was all 'gotcha PvP".
I don;t know what that beta comment meant.

Its too big of a commitment, i would probably do it if warp disrupters didnt exist, at least you had the chance of getting out if things started to not go your way

ECM, like... FALCON alt? You evil person.

because fighting at a gate against 10 opponnent .. suxx

I'm a peaceful person and don't like to agress other beings. I only fight back if attacked.

I can't be bothered reading through all this lot.

Has anyone said "Because you fly into Null and it's either gate camps, blobs or everyone docks up as soon as their cloaked alt sees you coming"?

some of the issues I heard other say, or issues that I came across myself when attempting to learn PvP. Right now I am a casual PvPer, I don't do it all the time, but if I'm bored, I'll be in low/null, killing players.

- The cost of PvP is too high. Losing a ship is something I can handle, especially if it's just a frig or cruiser. But anything bigger than that? yeah, I won't fly that out. So yeah, PvP experience usually stays lacking in that regard for most part.
You will lose ISK. Usually more than you win. Losing too much can eventually, at some point, result in the player returning to "carebear" status and stops PvPing for a long time. A way to fix this is to offer help to players you killed, give them advice for the next fights. EVEN if that someday results in you getting killed by your victim.
- you are being outnumbered most of the time unless you do a roam with others on purpose, which is mostly just warping to gate, wait for target for 5 mins, then jump through, and repeat. AKA: even more boring and a waste of time than mining.
- Blobs and hot-drops definately cause a scare of PvPing.
- Annoying, immature idiots who post ASCII dicks in local and think they're being funny.
- PvP is boring. What tactic is there in PvP? Just get as much EHP as possible, fit the biggest ******* guns you can, then approach and shoot enemy. There is no actual RL skill required once you go past the point of the "PvP adrenaline" you get from attacking an other ship. There is nothing much that makes PvP rewarding or fun unless you fly in a large fleet, THEN you get to see different tactics. But otherwise, it's boring. For the majority of EVE players that play casual, and usually solo, big fleet fights is something they rarely participate in, and are hard to access as well.
- Fear of spies when you try to join a pirate/nullsec alliance. Maybe a good thing to be suspicious of new members, but treating people with downright disrespect and being a **** to them while you don't even have PROOF of them being a spy, just deters those players.
- Not accepting of new pilots to PvP / requiring PvP experience before you can join. Makes sense, but hey, investing your time in getting some newer players to PvP is worth it, right?
- Demanding a certain playstyle from their PvP members (go train for Drake. Nao.)

Several things keep me from PVP-ing:

- Implants that raise attributes and decrease training time. It doesn't matter that it's only a 3% gain, my achiever mentality and OCD kick in and I don't want to lose them. Not until I train this skill, then that skill, then that other skill, and before I know it it's been 2 years.

- Lack of rewards, other than the fun and adrenaline rushes. Those are not sufficient for achievers, and probably explorers too. You can find fun in other games, and better adrenaline rushes a lot more often in a first person shooter for example. And if you want to limit the discussion to EVE, PVE is getting more and more complex and difficult, and it rewards ISK, standings, LP's, on TOP of the adrenaline rush of possibly losing your ship.

- Difficulty in finding enemies of strength comparable to my own. Yeah there's high, low, and nullsec, but nothing prevents vets from intervening or helping once combat has started, blobs from being hot-dropped, etc. The tournaments are fun in part because the participants are somewhat matched. PVP everywhere else can turn into an imbalanced gank the next time you blink.

Tell you what, make PVP'ing reward skillpoints (commensurate with how much the enemy you've just defeated has, or commensurate with the SP's required to fly his ship you've just blown up), and I bet you we'll be at each other's throats PVPing like it's 1999. Or give PVP tokens of some sort that we can use to buy ships we've lost. Having to grind PVE in order to PVP kinda sucks; PVP should offer material rewards in addition to the fun.