EVE General Discussion

Nerf high sec is what i read once again this is why CSM is a fing joke. Is there even a member of the csm thats not a member of o.o or low sec allinace?

Your pompous arrogance is showing. People that don't play the way you do are not "real" EVE players?

Hi sec is LOADED with causal gamers, who have no desire to play the 0.0 politics and blob fest. We just want to mine, build, maybe run some missions, operate a POS.... carve out a little niche in a place mostly free of the hard-core, EVE is life, PVPers.


I could just as easily say "nobody every started playing EVE Online to do a two hour titan conga line, be inundated with a text penile contest in local, or be out blobbed by the hard-core, well established, join us or die, mega power block."

High sec mining is as profitable as 0.0, when you calculate the time you are camped in out in 0.0. In hisec, as long as you are not war decced, you can log in and play the game the way you want, when you want. In 0.0, you log in, find that there is a non-blue in system.... then log out and log back in on your high sec alt.

As for not enough miners in 0.0, then why are the ABCs selling for virtually the same as high sec ores?




Even if you remove the hisec belts, you will not force miners out of hisec to 0.0. They will just mine grav sites, missions, etc. Remove those too, and they just move to missioning in high sec. Drop that from game too, they will find something else to do in high sec. Drop everything from hisec, and they just quit playing the game.

Changing build and insurance nerfs everyone. Your logic is broken. Your agenda, on the other hand, is obvious.

Getting anyone into low/null-sec is easy peasy.

It's all a matter of getting rid of local channel and the current gate functionality. Removing static roid belts and replacing them with anomaly type roids would also help quite a bit. The final step would once again be to revamp d-scan so that it does not outright identify everything within range unless you are above a specific "resolution" for a lack of better term.

That is it really. But then again, people will still refuse to see this and probably on top start whining about "how hard it would be to actually find and catch ships" and yada yada yada.

It will never be about boosting rewards and it will have absolutely everything to do with shifting the weights that differs the hunters versus the hunted so that they are balanced out. Because right now the weights are completely, and I mean absolutely completely in favor of those that hunt.

And no, I still dont take "spam D-scan button" as a valid excuse as that very functionality is broken to the very core.

Sorry if my train of thought may seem a bit disarrayed here but I figure that at least a few would recognize my repetitive ramblings by now. It's such a pain to go into absolute detail over and over again.

you rock my socks Seleene

Thanks to CSM for sharing the document. I actually did read it, and it looks good to this high sec dweller.

It occurs to me that high sec succeeds because it allows for an extremely broad range of play styles, and it weaves them all into a tight economic fabric, but without teleports and magically consolidated markets (e.g., the unified auction house in WoW) that homogenize it and make it impossible to pick a quiet little place and learn the ropes before jumping into the deep water with the sharks.

Null sec and low sec have small-MMO mechanics, designed to make it easier than it is anywhere else to find other people and shoot them. This is great when you have a poor player/system ratio, but it also guarantees that the only play style that will prosper there is the one that involves finding people and shooting them. Everyone else has to plan, first and foremost, around not being found and shot. But there are no farms and fields and no factories in a war zone, so in order to introduce them CCP will have to let up on the ease with which low sec and null sec players can interact, without just stranding them in small clumps and killing or crippling the shooty part of the game. It's not a task that I envy the designers or the CSM, but I think it will have to be done if those two parts of the game are going to prosper.

Also, I think steadiness of income should be as important a goal as theoretical ISK/hr, and the various "productive" activities should be as diverse as possible. Nullsec income should not come from anomalies alone. That also severely narrows both the type of player who will find null sec attractive, and the skill set required. High, steady incomes are not a problem if they result in lots of ships getting blown up, right?

Customarily as lo-sec just got a patch it will probably have to wait another 3 years for a new set of features to be added besides small changes like gun mechanics ect..

That would depend on obtaining actual numbers of the people who now rat there, given it is now just bounties. So the level of isk faucet from 1 additional type of NPC when all the rest of the areas just generate bounties anyway would be noticeable yes, but not overly, otherwise they would have nerfed all ratting by now.

I will admit I can not even estimate the total amount as I personally find ratting only one step above mission running or in another words suicidally boring.

As to nerfing the mineral supply for everyone, a lot more people now mine as it has actually made it to an income level above indentured servant.

Actually if you look at the history of tritanium you will see that yes the volumes sold are now lower then last year but also that the price this time last year was at a sell price of below 3.5, it did not go over 5 till the nerf was announced.

As to L4 Missions, yes that is a huge isk faucet much like incursions. They are a massive isk faucet, which leads me to believe that it is the L4 and incursions that may need some alterations to the faucet level (some better goods but less isk) compared to stuffing around with the drone regions again and stuffing up the mineral markets again.