Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Agreed, CCP needs to put down the crack pipe if they think we need another medium sniper that no one will use. Ferox should be like a shield brutix but far tankier and slightly less gank. The ferox should be the logical step up for a merlin pilot since that has already been made into a shield brawler. Perhaps give it an optimal range bonus to boot that only affects railguns along with maybe a tracking bonus.

Multiple weapon types bonuses, give hyrbids more damage and tracking per level and rails more tracking slightly less damage, ,and range per level. It could be a short range sniper that can still hold its own if you get close. It can kite but not be totally f'ed in the bum if someone gets close.

I agree on this one.

Logical Progression as I see it should be:

Merlin > Moa > Ferox

brawlers gonna brawl (aaand supported, would have it roll with a damage bonus since tracking doesn't seem to be a 'dari thing)

Please don't make the Ferox a sniping ship. For one thing you need to make rails have decent output for the massive grid requirement. 250mm rails takes more grid than neutron blasters and 200mm takes more grid than ions and in both cases the blasters outdamage the rails by a colossal amount AND with null loaded the projection of blasters including falloff isn't even as bad as you'd think in most cases and this is especially true for the Ferox.

If you EVER want to see a rail Ferox, CCP, you have to make rails better than they are, they have little going for them especially in medium sizes as they just do not have the damage or tracking to warrant anything close to the grid they use. This is why you rarely hear a peep out of the Eagle as well. Additionally Caldari ships in general are tight on grid but have CPU to spare so trying to fit rails to a Ferox hits it where it's already hurting the most. Currently taking away the resistance bonus will take away the tank which is the only thing keeping it viable at the moment and I like it as the brawler it is now changing the optimal range bonus to a damage bonus will make it a very solid ship.

The last thing you should be doing with this ship right now is trying to emphasize the sniping aspect of it by giving it CARBON COPY of the Naga bonuses. Having a Ferox as a "sniper" ship prior to Tier 3 battlecruisers was all well and good but by simply giving the Ferox full sniper bonuses you will not allow it to compete with the Naga which has superior speed, agility, damage, projection sacrificing only tracking (which is mitigated somewhat by how much harder it is to get high transversal at longer range) or in other words the Naga is a vastly superior ship in the same role. Sure the Ferox would have a vastly superior tank but when you are trying to snipe and you're taking a lot of damage something has gone wrong disastrously wrong. If you want a medium rail sniper ship I suggest leaving it to the Eagle which you can get to later.

TL;DR: Prior to Tier 3s sniping Ferox was a novel idea but now it will just not keep up with the Naga both literally and figuratively which is why it has evolved into its current brawler role. Giving it a Carbon copy of the Naga bonuses will NOT put it on par and the two ships will not compete for the sniping spot the Naga will simply win and the Ferox will collect dust.

All my ferox's are blaster fit and i have a talos fit for rails talos can do about 500dps at 180km ferox would struggle to get half that plus i assume the eagle will keep the railboat alive or even use the Nosprey to fill that role now the caracal has stolen its abilities.

And then i hope they make the vulture all about blasters too that will be a mean CS.

i'm sure we have had this discussion before about the moa :) ferox will be blaster boat for sure :)
But seriously bc's are all about tanking and brawling they would make poor snipers with their lack of mobility and dps compared to the tier 3's besides a faction cruiser is roughly the same price as a drake atm so there even easier to get into.

OK then mid range the image is still the same though.
But let me put it to you another way does a sniper need lots of tank or is mobility and locking time more important?
A brawler needs tank over mobility which suits a bc more? or a cruiser more?
don't get hung up on faction ..... at the end of the day rails as a primary weapon isn't very flexible at T1 level or that effective.

well we don't know what its EHP will be it would certainly be nerfed if it was a mid range ship.
And we all know the drake and HM's were OP plus missiles are better than rails.

The Ferox doesn't need to be a sniper. The Naga has that covered.

Change the Optimal Bonus to a Hybrid Damage bonus on the Ferox... and the Rokh please.

I don't think it is near as difficult as people are trying to make it.

[Ferox, New Dmg + Opt]
Damage Control II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II

Large Shield Extender II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Experimental 10MN MicroWarpdrive I
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script

250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Drone Link Augmentor I

Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I


Warrior II x5

Deadly Mid Range ship with 580DPS to 35KM AM and 538 to 44KM Plutonium, 63k EHP before as Tier HP Boost.
Blasters 817 DPS Neutron AM with 63 EHP and room for Web / Scram.

Naga is paper and much less accurate at those ranges, let it keep the super sniper and make this a cheap fleet ship. If they make it look like this I Guarantee it would be flown. They can do this up right without crossing roles with the Naga or making her a weak brawler.