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Right, remove tech and replace it with what exactly?

Raw mineral mining moons aren't isk fountains anymore - only tech and neo are capable of bringing over a bil a month, then there's plat and dyspro which are just over 700mil/month. After that you're getting into the "might cover fuel costs for a large tower" crowd. Reactions and advanced materials may be a different story, but they're far from low effort.

In conclusion, you're making **** up as you go along as usual.

Ring Mining doesn't even exist outside of a name yet. Talking about replacing anything with Ring Mining before Ring Mining exists is dumb at best and dangerous at worst.

If it's still distorting the whole of null, it's because the rest of null by itself really is *that* worthless, not that Tech is still some massive problem. Hence why giving 0.0 its own bottom-up income tools and industrial capacity is important enough to make it into this document - a fact you've opposed already.

Either way, the overarcing point in all of this is that your laser focus on tech and moon mining is completely missing what the actual problem with sov null is. Thankfully the CSM members who wrote this document weren't as petty and myopic as you.

So you're saying that fixing a segment of the game that is literally broken is a waste of company resources?

My issue with this document is that it doesn't address EVE Online as a -whole- instead it addresses it as pieces.

Each little piece gets attention without attempting to relate it back to the other pieces of EVE.

EVE is already a series of disjointed and separate 'mini-games' that only broadly interact with one another (usually through the market at a macro level in terms of minerals) and this isn't good for a game that is supposed to be player driven and embodying the concept of 'emergent' gameplay... unless that was dropped at some point.

EVE suffers from a lack of overall focus for the -whole- game. All of this talk of 'iteration' is great but it has the side affect of continually separating the game components into isolated regions or games.

CCP needs to start treating EVE online as a framework that encourages and allows players to interact and impact the game environment.

What makes a game successful over the long term: Continual introduction of new and interesting things that build upon previous new and interesting things.

People love to hate on WoW but this is what WoW does right: They release new content that is different and fun (and yes the basic gameplay is the same) with each release. New stuff. New dungeons. New raids. New skills. New abilities. New equipment. New stuff for people to do together and can be done quickly if wanted.

Further, WoW guides players through a process of discovery of not only their own character but also how to group with others. Over the levels players are brought into easy dungeons at first and then continue to grow, meeting other people along the way, and by the time they reach the 'max level' there is more content for them but they also have lots of friends that they have met. WoW even teaches players how to raid (because they know that raids - being gameplay that multiple play together forms the basis of their continued subscription retention) by having easy mode raids to hard mode raids.

EVE Online has nothing like this. From the start of playing EVE the gameplay is almost all solo based and CCP does nothing to bring new players together either to work together or to fight one another. Many players drop out of the game because they reach the end of the tutorials and there's nothing there. This has to be improved.

The ironic part is that best EVE experience is actually based in corporations and alliances. Of dozens, hundreds, even thousands of players working together. But, new players don't even get a taste of this.

I am very disappointed in the CSM for not even bringing up the concept of EVE Online being interconnected and an ecosystem. I don't like that they didn't suggest much, of anything, that would bring more players together into interacting with one another in different ways.

I loved incursions because it brought players together. But, incursions is just another mini-game within the overall game. It is separate from the rest of the universe.

I love 0.0 because it brings players together. The sovereignty mechanisms while clunky and extremely limited are great in bringing masses of players together into Alliances - this is GOOD.

I want to see EVE Online treated like an ecosystem of players which encourages players to interact with one another not just in bad ways but also in good ways.

Please, start treating the Universe as a whole and not as a series of mini-games that barely interact with one another.

And.. what about wormholes? Have they just disappeared off the face of the galaxy?

**** is broken and needs to be fixed; it's not just the 'null sec' people that believe this - the document was UNANIMOUSLY ENDORSED by the entire CSM. I don't care what percentage they spend on it so long as the broken and abandoned stuff gets fixed. After being on the CSM for two terms, and a Dev for three years before that, I've given voice to quite a few balanced proposals and game play changes. Now, at this moment in time, it's time for the people who help keep the game in the real world news to be able to play a game that isn't a hacked together, soul sucking, time vampire structure bash.

CCP had better take note of this as well because with games like Star Citizen on the horizon, I can guarantee you that their monopoly on the time of people that enjoy this kind of game is going to start being challenged.

Not really. Feel free to ask TEST's elected CSM member if he thinks I care about this or that thing over another thing. I'm way way WAY beyond caring about this part or that part of EVE. EVE IS EVE. I don't get why people try to chop it up into their little game play kingdoms. v0v

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Falcon would you be interested in doing this for "The Big Lie" thread too? I thought it was an interesting conversation that merited discussion until the same person who crapped up this thread crapped up that one.