EVE General Discussion

Can you really blame anyone for thinking this?

Over the past 15 or so years I've seen so many fly-by-night MMOs, and since joining eve in 2006 I've seen many "death knell" games that were supposed to kill eve.

Infinity
Jump Gate: Evolution
World of Tanks
That robot one nobody plays anymore.
Pirates of the Burning Sea (this game had SO much potential but they screwed it up)
Matrix Online
Starcraft 2

Yes, "it'd be nice" is always a good business reason to throw good money after bad.

I'm behind CCP opening up WiS to other companies to finish implementation and stock with activities. CCP throwing more of my sub money after it? No way. We're getting FiS improvements in 6 month leaps on deliveries we need now, not a year out. And that's improvements, not the almost countless fixes queued up. e.g. Delivery of Unified Inventory fundamental architectural fixes have taken months - dentist's across the world are aghast at the amount of enamel loss they have witnessed due to teeth grinding while dealing with UI.

Dust is the avatar game platform. All you need is to complete it for WiS is a proximity comms system and rooms with mood lighting and music. Oh and some way to sexily slip out of the body armor.

Well I for one am happy with the shelving of WIS. Even if it would be nice to walk inside a station (if implemented properly) you just have to be realistic: the amount of work needed to make this a proper feature cannot be justified. Not to mention that the way Eve is designed it makes zero sense to walk inside a station, neither from the gameplay, nor from the lore perspective.

This isn't a game where you stand as a captain on a bridge and give orders to your crew. You are in a capsule, wired to your ship to control it through your mind and body functions, the ship is the extension of your body. How is it justified to leave that environment only to take a walk through a station (which is several kilometres in diameter judging from ingame sizes) to get to your agent or whatever?

I'd rather have less features in the game but have them implemented properly and this is the way Eve is taking now. It is for the better of the game, the community made itself heard by the massive protests back then. Eve was on the edge of losing thousands of customers (and probably did). It was the only possible way to prevent a disaster and I am very happy that Eve has been saved.

The game is so vast and complex that you simply cannot implement such a huge feature without neglecting everything else and that "everything else" was what made Eve great, not walking around with an avatar. You should not forget that.


Star Citizen will probably include walking around but it is an entirely different game: developed as a single player primarily with an added online function secondarily- you cannot compare that to Eve. It will never have the depth but will focus instead on the actual piloting of your ship, which is also a good thing. This way I can play Star Citizen when I feel like getting my flightstick out and Eve for everything else.

Who knows ,maybe he is the first one ,that does what he is promising.
If he manage to make 50% of his vision real ,that game will be great.


Of course we can all listen to the promises CCP makes .


Oow and @ Bayasian that reply you made in this thread ,you could that do a lot earlier in that last thread you made.
People were calling me an negative idiot after i said Team Avatar is gone(my wife is laughing and saying ,but you are you old.....)

I will be glad if CCP drops WiS....

As long as they would make WiS stuff engaging and optional I see no reason not to have it.

The argument about it 'wasting resources' isn't a good one in my view since you can argue that wormhole space was a waste of resources for the same reason since not everyone goes into wormhole space.

WiS would appeal to a portion of the current playerbase and it would draw in new players interested in it. That's reason enough to have it.

For those players who are not interested in WiS then, cool, they don't have to do it. Just like how current players who have no interest in 0.0 don't have to go there. Or wormhole space. Or low sec. Or high sec. Or incursions. Or missions. Or exploration. Or market trading. Or pirating. Or suicide ganking. Or hauling. Or mining. Or...

There are all kinds of things in EVE that only a small portion of the playerbase engages in.

So long as WiS is focused around spaceships and space activities it is something that I want.

I can see how WiS could be expanded upon in combination with DUST - imagine hiring mercenaries to take over space stations / sov without having to slog it out shooting structures. Instead, hire the mercs who go in and fight it out -on- the station. The support fleets could be outside blockading the station from getting reinforcements. You would wind up with a battle inside and a battle outside. That would be cool to me.

I want to see bars in stations where players can congregate after a long fight and just relax with one another. People already spend hours spinning their spaceships in stations so why not be able to walk to another hangar and watch them do it.

WiS would open up so much opportunity to the game it is worthwhile pursuing. WiS is one more element of creating more opportunity for players to interact with one another.

How much do you want an experience like WIS? As an example, if EA/bioware brought out an MMO version of mass effect would you quit eve for it?

I think the best way to issue a rebuttal on this forum debate would be to wait until Retribution is live, let CCP Fozzie's balances take effect, bookmark the relevant "development requests" and see how the vocal members of "safest most enjoyable experience in EVE is in our null-sec, you should quit" crowd respond requesting more balance changes so they can spend 10mins changing their spreadsheets for "influence".


This game wont get old, it's not only a classic but was and still is groundbreaking. Experience for internet gamers will make some people feel bored with any game, they either knuckle down IRL and forget they played games with massive internet trolls and stifled opportunity or they knuckle down IRL and pop in sparingly to enjoy their hobby.

I stand by this, I expect certain members of the crowd to develop past their adolescence and whine about how the game is broken prior to getting a life-track that "takes them places"

Having worked on some new build Factories as a security host / Site Administrator on over £100mil of project, reporting to BAE Systems, around the same time the RL Taranis came out I've got an experience affinity that I feel makes this a more enjoyable game for me than any other game possibly could be.

The paragraph above might explain why I really can't stand excessive amounts of "insert random unmonitored program for communication" requirements and threads like this: regarding "Anonymous Members" playing EVE.

that emoting thing of yours is getting old

You like shipspinning ? stay with it ,nothing is gonna stop you using it.
if you like to get the shipspin counter to a trillion ,go ahead
i like to walk around,

And given the breakdown of dev issues, not the expansion after that.

Given the newest CSM document i truly do not see WiS having any further development for the foreseeable future.