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Pulling the Plug on WiS

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Jess Maine
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#81 - 2012-11-22 18:44:12 UTC
Holy One wrote:
Ares Desideratus wrote:
Bane Necran wrote:
Well Star Citizen it is, then.

When that lands in 2 years this game will become a ghost town, so everyone enjoy the population while you can.

Star Citizen is just going to come out and be mediocre

Just be happy with Eve cause it's the best video game ever created


Its called 'Star Citizen'. Nuff said.

You guys who backed this, I find astonishing when Elite: Dangerous is also being pimped and offers way more attractive gameplay concepts. I hate Wing Commander tbh.


Brought to you by the same company that made RollerCoaster Tycoon 3, Kinectimals, LostWinds and Disneyland Adventures. Dem high quality titles.
Bane Necran
Appono Astos
#82 - 2012-11-22 18:54:58 UTC
Part of me is still in disbelief.

I understand that there's probably a lot of really stressful engine problems CCP has been struggling with, but holy ****, it's been like 7 years of this. I thought we were finally making progress. I fully expect them to make a half-assed attempt to put all the players looking forward to WiS at ease this coming fanfest, but i don't think anyone will be falling for it again.

Forum activity has fallen to an all time low ever since Star Citizen and the new Elite were announced, which can't be a coincidence. Apathy has set in now that it's clear EVEs days are numbered. The one hope to breathe new life into this game was WiS, so this is the final nail in the coffin as far as i'm concerned.

Those of you who fought so hard to keep this game as simple as it is, grats, you win an empty server.

"In the void is virtue, and no evil. Wisdom has existence, principle has existence, the Way has existence, spirit is nothingness." ~Miyamoto Musashi

oldbutfeelingyoung
Perkone
Caldari State
#83 - 2012-11-22 19:19:14 UTC
Bagrat Skalski wrote:
Quote:
So we are going to show something at Fanfest and discuss this with real humans ,was another we show something promise?


CCP - Certainly Can Procrastinate




You almost scared me with that word ,English is not my native language.
Good that Google exist

R.S.I2014

Darth Gustav
Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting
#84 - 2012-11-22 19:57:33 UTC
Bane Necran wrote:
Part of me is still in disbelief.

I understand that there's probably a lot of really stressful engine problems CCP has been struggling with, but holy ****, it's been like 7 years of this. I thought we were finally making progress. I fully expect them to make a half-assed attempt to put all the players looking forward to WiS at ease this coming fanfest, but i don't think anyone will be falling for it again.

Forum activity has fallen to an all time low ever since Star Citizen and the new Elite were announced, which can't be a coincidence. Apathy has set in now that it's clear EVEs days are numbered. The one hope to breathe new life into this game was WiS, so this is the final nail in the coffin as far as i'm concerned.

Those of you who fought so hard to keep this game as simple as it is, grats, you win an empty server.

I think you're overstating your case a bit by implying the servers will be empty because there's no evidence "The Door" will ever be opened.

Concurrent users have been right up around 40k every time I've logged in this week.

That seems impossible if the server will empty out over lack of WiS development. Not to mention that WiS didn't add any complexity to Eve in any way, shape, or form.

I think you should have chastized people who argued against multiple gigabytes of useless fluff being added to their clients.

He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom

Norian Lonark
Black Thorne Corporation
#85 - 2012-11-22 20:06:17 UTC
I have to say I am rather disapointed. I enjoy FIS, but for me WIS is an essential part of the space simulator experience. EVE does so many things better than many other MMO's out there, its difficult to comprehend that getting some basic WIS elements in place is proving so difficult, in fact totally impossible.

Start wide, expand further, and never look back

Bane Necran
Appono Astos
#86 - 2012-11-22 20:08:16 UTC
Darth Gustav wrote:
I think you should have chastized people who argued against multiple gigabytes of useless fluff being added to their clients.


It's fine that people like yourself just want space combat and see anything else as 'fluff', but many people playing EVE hunger for more, and upcoming games are going to be offering the complete space experience EVE has always promised but never delivered.

The violent opposition from people like yourself to everything except space combat may seem like fun and games now, but the reality of what you've been begging for will set in when all that's left are people like yourself. You'll probably end up leaving EVE to play one of the newer games yourself after hisec production grinds to a halt and there are no more 'carebears' to harass.

"In the void is virtue, and no evil. Wisdom has existence, principle has existence, the Way has existence, spirit is nothingness." ~Miyamoto Musashi

Jame Jarl Retief
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#87 - 2012-11-22 20:09:54 UTC
Bane Necran wrote:
Forum activity has fallen to an all time low ever since Star Citizen and the new Elite were announced, which can't be a coincidence. Apathy has set in now that it's clear EVEs days are numbered. The one hope to breathe new life into this game was WiS, so this is the final nail in the coffin as far as i'm concerned.


This is not new. Someone (Chribba, I believe?) even made graphs for 2009 and 2010 showing the same trend - number of posts steadily declining year after year. So this is in no way related to other games, it's been ongoing for at least 3 years now. Whether or not this is indicative of a problem, that's anyone's guess.

Personally I'm quite happy to see both Star Citizen and Elite in the works. It's nice that EVE will have some competition in the sci-fi genre at least, if not in the MMO genre per se.

Quote:
Those of you who fought so hard to keep this game as simple as it is, grats, you win an empty server.


Nah, not for a while yet. Too many people have invested years into this game, and walking away from it all would be hard for them. Which isn't to say it's impossible. If my opinion is correct in that the majority of EVE's currently active characters are just alts, when players move on we would see a serious collapse very quickly. And once a sandbox game like this loses the critical mass of players required to keep it reasonably populated, it dies incredibly fast.

Though personally I don't believe this will happen any time soon. It'll require changes to the game that are a fail of epic proportions - even bigger than Incarna - and CCP seems to be reasonably on track for now with the whole ship rebalance thingy. Though I suppose if they screw up the new AI badly enough to seriously hurt already pretty crappy PvE in this game, it might just do it.
Darth Gustav
Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting
#88 - 2012-11-22 20:19:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Darth Gustav
Bane Necran wrote:
Darth Gustav wrote:
I think you should have chastized people who argued against multiple gigabytes of useless fluff being added to their clients.


It's fine that people like yourself just want space combat and see anything else as 'fluff', but many people playing EVE hunger for more, and upcoming games are going to be offering the complete space experience EVE has always promised but never delivered.

The violent opposition from people like yourself to everything except space combat may seem like fun and games now, but the reality of what you've been begging for will set in when all that's left are people like yourself. You'll probably end up leaving EVE to play one of the newer games yourself after hisec production grinds to a halt and there are no more 'carebears' to harass.

"Violent opposition" huh? On internet forums we have "violent opposition?"

Laughably and demonstrably false.

The reality of what I've been "begging for" is that our clients are something like 3x the size they used to be, with no extra functionality whatsoever.

If WiS development had been centered around more than just the virtual equivalent of $1k jeans, maybe your claims would have an iota of validity.

He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom

Asuka Solo
I N E X T R E M I S
Tactical Narcotics Team
#89 - 2012-11-22 20:19:36 UTC
Jame Jarl Retief wrote:

Nah, not for a while yet. Too many people have invested years into this game, and walking away from it all would be hard for them. Which isn't to say it's impossible.


There comes a time when the value derived from empty promises isn't worth the effort of putting up with the same decadent rehashed crap over and over again....

Eve is about Capital ships, WiS, Boobs, PI and Isk!

Bane Necran
Appono Astos
#90 - 2012-11-22 20:31:28 UTC
Jame Jarl Retief wrote:
This is not new. Someone (Chribba, I believe?) even made graphs for 2009 and 2010 showing the same trend - number of posts steadily declining year after year. So this is in no way related to other games, it's been ongoing for at least 3 years now. Whether or not this is indicative of a problem, that's anyone's guess.


Point taken, and i'd definitely say it's indicative of a problem. EVE has been stagnating for years now and a couple predators have just appeared to take advantage.

Jame Jarl Retief wrote:
Nah, not for a while yet. Too many people have invested years into this game, and walking away from it all would be hard for them.


I'm a 2005 player who now regrets recently extending my sub another 6 months. Lots of people like myself have been investing time in EVE looking forward to the future. If things are just going to remain pretty much the same, and there is no real future except a couple new ships or something, there's no reason to keep investing time in this. We'll just cut our losses and move on.

"In the void is virtue, and no evil. Wisdom has existence, principle has existence, the Way has existence, spirit is nothingness." ~Miyamoto Musashi

Bane Necran
Appono Astos
#91 - 2012-11-22 20:41:05 UTC
Darth Gustav wrote:
"Violent opposition" huh? On internet forums we have "violent opposition?"

Laughably and demonstrably false.


Really? You just block out the frothing hordes of bloodthirsty people screaming for the death of everyone who doesn't PvP? Or are you being intentionally dense here?

You never see carebears saying all PvP players have no right to exist, but frequently the opposite is said. You're all finally going to get the carebear free game you've always wanted. I hope it matches your expectations, and also hope you trained your mining and industry up.

"In the void is virtue, and no evil. Wisdom has existence, principle has existence, the Way has existence, spirit is nothingness." ~Miyamoto Musashi

KrakizBad
Section 8.
#92 - 2012-11-22 20:51:49 UTC
Bane Necran wrote:
We'll just cut our losses and move on.

Can I have your stuff?
Bane Necran
Appono Astos
#93 - 2012-11-22 21:08:36 UTC
KrakizBad wrote:
Can I have your stuff?


Plan on keeping it all for when this goes f2p.

And i'm not even really putting any blame on CCP for all this. The only mistake they made was giving in to the space PvP enthusiasts and shelving plans for anything else. The truly sad thing is these upcoming games will also be trying to offer better PvP, and EVE will definitely be losing PvP players to them as well, so maybe not even the group who forced their hand will stick around.

"In the void is virtue, and no evil. Wisdom has existence, principle has existence, the Way has existence, spirit is nothingness." ~Miyamoto Musashi

Fractal Muse
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#94 - 2012-11-22 21:11:16 UTC
I'm one of the players who would like to see Walking in Stations finished.

I'd love to be able to chill in a station pub / game room with other players and play games.

It'd be nice to look out of a window and see the ships docking and undocking.

I don't think WiS is what did Incarna in - it was the bad noble exchange design that got people really upset. But since the two things happened in the same expansion both took the blame for the dramatic loss of subscriptions.

CCP should continue to focus on EVE online as a space game. The focus should continue to be on player interactions and giving the players the tools to do what they want. To me this means more building options, more political options, and more interaction between 0.0, low sec, wormhole space, and high sec.

I would like to see the ability in Faction Warfare to split system control so that each system could have presence from both sides and they would fight it out to push the other side out of the system. I don't like the one or the other side control of a system. There is so much that CCP can still do with EVE to push it forward and grow its playerbase by providing the tools to players to engage in the activities that they want to.

Unfortunately, a lot gets lost in focus on specific areas of the game without looking to the broader picture. Incursions were and are amazing but they just aren't integrated into the overall game universe. They are just like missions - a separate and different element of the game where what one does with them really has no impact. You can't even go to the Sansha home systems to try and prevent the incursions. They just keep happening regardless of player involvement. If players 'beat' an incursion a new one happens. If players ignore an incursion a new one happens.

The end result is the same and that makes me sad. They were an incredible potential tool to link 0.0, low sec, high sec, and wormhole space together. For example, an incursion site could have opened wormholes to the different types of space allowing players to move through. If an incursion was allowed to culminate and 'win' then the security status / sovereignty of the system could be changed.

The universe needs to become more dynamic in my opinion. But, at the same time, I am playing EVE and enjoying myself. I just keep wishing for that overall vision of greater player impact on the game universe itself and, yeah, I want Walking in Stations finished. More player interaction is good. Imagine the diplomatic opportunities of meeting in stations.
oldbutfeelingyoung
Perkone
Caldari State
#95 - 2012-11-22 21:24:52 UTC
Darth Gustav wrote:
Bane Necran wrote:
Darth Gustav wrote:
I think you should have chastized people who argued against multiple gigabytes of useless fluff being added to their clients.


It's fine that people like yourself just want space combat and see anything else as 'fluff', but many people playing EVE hunger for more, and upcoming games are going to be offering the complete space experience EVE has always promised but never delivered.

The violent opposition from people like yourself to everything except space combat may seem like fun and games now, but the reality of what you've been begging for will set in when all that's left are people like yourself. You'll probably end up leaving EVE to play one of the newer games yourself after hisec production grinds to a halt and there are no more 'carebears' to harass.

"Violent opposition" huh? On internet forums we have "violent opposition?"

Laughably and demonstrably false.

The reality of what I've been "begging for" is that our clients are something like 3x the size they used to be, with no extra functionality whatsoever.

If WiS development had been centered around more than just the virtual equivalent of $1k jeans, maybe your claims would have an iota of validity.



and there it is again !!!! the idiotic linking of the Nexfail to want to have WIS

R.S.I2014

Terranid Meester
Tactical Assault and Recon Unit
#96 - 2012-11-22 22:29:40 UTC
Im glad Star Citizens and Elite will be making an appearance, havn't seen a space sim like X-Wing/TIE Fighter & Freespace 2 for some time. Star Citizens will be moddable like Skyrim/Arma series, thats something I am really looking forward to.

I'll still play EvE as nothing has its universe and gameplay, but if I want something different in a spacegame for a bit, I hope I can turn to alternatives.
Xenuria
#97 - 2012-11-23 02:09:18 UTC
CCP Bayesian wrote:
Just to answer a couple of points:

  • Team Avatar doesn't exist anymore. As per the thread linked earlier our prototype has been shelved for the time being. Please read both my post and the one from CCP Unifex for the full picture on what's happening with WIS development at the moment. The team members are off working on a whole bunch of stuff from the launcher, through to new game features.
  • WoD is definitely still in development and development is split off from EVE so that they can concentrate on their game and making it awesome.



So the end times are in fact upon us now...

Despite all the money and resources CCP has, their offices continue to look like relaxing vacation spots to me. Why can't CCP do what BUNGIE did and really buckle down until something gets done.

Does CCP need more people?
More money?
Better People?

All of these things can be provided if only they are asked for.
Darth Khasei
Wavestar Business Ventures Inc.
#98 - 2012-11-23 02:14:59 UTC
Respect. Cool

WIS was/is a good idea horrifically implemented. It is good that is gone until such time as the devs can "incorporate" it into the already existing eve world.

Getting it to run at the same frame rates as the rest of the current game should be goal number one when they go back to it, in a few years.
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#99 - 2012-11-23 09:37:26 UTC
Bane Necran wrote:
Part of me is still in disbelief.

I understand that there's probably a lot of really stressful engine problems CCP has been struggling with, but holy ****, it's been like 7 years of this. I thought we were finally making progress. I fully expect them to make a half-assed attempt to put all the players looking forward to WiS at ease this coming fanfest, but i don't think anyone will be falling for it again.

Forum activity has fallen to an all time low ever since Star Citizen and the new Elite were announced, which can't be a coincidence. Apathy has set in now that it's clear EVEs days are numbered. The one hope to breathe new life into this game was WiS, so this is the final nail in the coffin as far as i'm concerned.

Those of you who fought so hard to keep this game as simple as it is, grats, you win an empty server.




That was the PVP they intended. They'd consider it a win.


Bring back DEEEEP Space!

Herr Hammer Draken
#100 - 2012-11-23 09:53:22 UTC
I can only hope WiS gets axed forever.

FPS style play has no place in space simulation combat game.

If you want FPS play, then play dust that is what it is for.

Herr Hammer Draken "The Amarr Prophet"