These forums have been archived and are now read-only.

The new forums are live and can be found at https://forums.eveonline.com/

Ships & Modules

 
  • Topic is locked indefinitely.
12Next page
 

Caldari vs Gallente AF's

First post
Author
Previous Topic Next Topic
Liam Inkuras
Furnace
#1 - 2012-11-20 16:35:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Liam Inkuras
Hey guys, I was wondering which race's assault frigates (or interceptors) are better for up close in-your-face brawling. I'm and equal distance away from either race's assault frigs, I just need to train the frigate skill to 5. As of right now I'm leaning towards Caldari because I want to fly stealth bombers later on, and the Manticore is most appealing to me. Plus I will increase my missile skills while speccing out a Hawk. On the other hand, I hear that that Enyo and Taranis are blaster kings and could smack down a Blarpy or any other close range frigate with ease. What do you guys think I should do?

Edit: if It makes any difference, I already have far more skills in gunnery and small blasters than missiles

I wear my goggles at night.

Any spelling/grammatical errors come complimentary with my typing on a phone
ISD LackOfFaith
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#2 - 2012-11-20 17:20:06 UTC
Enyo is by far the best at face-melt brawling. Ishkur isn't far behind, and about on par with the Harpy (though with more versatility).

When considering Caldari vs Gallente AFs, it's a tank+utility vs speed+damage trade-off. The Harpy and Hawk both have spectacular tanks, and plenty of mid slots allowing for electronic warfare (TD Hawk?). The Enyo and Ishkur have comparatively higher damage, higher speed/mobility, but much lower tank. The upshot of that is that most of their tank comes from just fitting a Damage Control II (about 6-8k EHP with only a DCII fitted).

Ultimately it's your choice, but both are great for PvP. The Caldari ones seem somewhat more popular, but that's probably because they are somewhat easier to use effectively (and they work a bit better solo).

Some side-notes that may help your decision:

  • Hawk is one of the only two combat frigate hulls with 5 mid slots (the other is the Hookbill).
  • Hawk with an ancillary shield booster (or two) is amazing.
  • Harpy is difficult for brawling fights if your enemy tries to kite, because the range control it has is very poor.
  • Hawk/Harpy signature radius is significantly higher than that of Ishkur/Enyo.
  • With AF V, the Ishkur can carry two flights of light drones.
  • All of these 4 AFs get range bonuses; they all work well with long range weapons like railguns or light missile launchers.
  • Keep the range of blasters/rockets in mind, and always have a fallback for how to deal with kiters.


My personal recommendation? Train them both! Pirate

ISD LackOfFaith

Captain

Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)

Interstellar Services Department

I do not respond to Eve Mail or anything other than the forums.
Casirio
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2012-11-20 17:35:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Casirio
my alliance mate loves his enyo. he takes down much bigger ships solo with it
Liam Inkuras
Furnace
#4 - 2012-11-20 17:48:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Liam Inkuras
Thanks for the prompt reply Smile . From what you've said it looks like I'll go with Caldari for now, but Gallente are sure to follow shortly.
Yeah I love blasters for the fact they can deal crazy damage. I've taken down a few big ships in my Atron

I wear my goggles at night.

Any spelling/grammatical errors come complimentary with my typing on a phone
Solomar Espersei
Quality Assurance
#5 - 2012-11-20 18:45:12 UTC
It takes maybe an extra week to get both of them to Racial Frigate 5 and will be totally worth it. Follow that up with T2 blasters & rails and enjoy. All 4 are good really.

Quality Assurance Recruiting intrepid explorers and BlOps/Cov Ops combat enthusiasts
Lady Ayeipsia
BlueWaffe
#6 - 2012-11-20 18:52:12 UTC
Solomar Espersei wrote:
It takes maybe an extra week to get both of them to Racial Frigate 5 and will be totally worth it. Follow that up with T2 blasters & rails and enjoy. All 4 are good really.


Additionally, if you wish to fly bombers, having options is also nice.

The manticore and nemesis have the same slot layouts. The nemesis is a little weaker on cpu, but the vast majority of targets fir your bomber will have a thermal resist hole. Also, the nemesis has a larger cargo bay, letting you carry 2 spare bombs and a large supply if Torps if you must structure bash in a thorn bomber fleet.

I really would say go both. Heck, I would say get all racial frig skills to 5. It is worth it.
Liam Inkuras
Furnace
#7 - 2012-11-20 20:08:25 UTC
Lady Ayeipsia wrote:
Solomar Espersei wrote:
It takes maybe an extra week to get both of them to Racial Frigate 5 and will be totally worth it. Follow that up with T2 blasters & rails and enjoy. All 4 are good really.


Additionally, if you wish to fly bombers, having options is also nice.

The manticore and nemesis have the same slot layouts. The nemesis is a little weaker on cpu, but the vast majority of targets fir your bomber will have a thermal resist hole. Also, the nemesis has a larger cargo bay, letting you carry 2 spare bombs and a large supply if Torps if you must structure bash in a thorn bomber fleet.

I really would say go both. Heck, I would say get all racial frig skills to 5. It is worth it.

Yup I'm definitely going to train both to 5, and eventually all of them. As for T2 small Hybrids, already got both specializations at 4 and have used them to great success Blink

I wear my goggles at night.

Any spelling/grammatical errors come complimentary with my typing on a phone
A PowerfulForce
Doomheim
#8 - 2012-11-20 20:10:17 UTC
I would fly a thrasher, or sabre, they're fun for killing way over what you should be able to.

But for AFs I have a solf spot for minmatar, but seen as that's not an option for you, You could train gallente and then caldari straight after and stick with Blaster/Rails, blasters are mean.
Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
#9 - 2012-11-20 20:39:28 UTC
As a brawler the only AF that competes with the Hawk is the Vengence, its really boss


And harpies are really good with rails




Enyos can like.. pew hard i guess?

BYDI recruitment closed-ish

Jerick Ludhowe
Internet Tuff Guys
#10 - 2012-11-20 22:34:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Jerick Ludhowe
Casirio wrote:
my alliance mate loves his enyo. he takes down much bigger ships solo with it


Very true. Enyo is extremely good against larger ships IF you are able to make a full tackle and fast orbit with ab to mitigate damage. The speed tank coupled with nos/smar combo means that you will easily be able to tank a cruiser and up so long as large numbers of nuets/webs are not involved. Drones are also a non issue as faction AM pretty much 1 shots hobbies and warriors meaning that after 10-15 seconds a flight of 5 small drones is dead and gone. The large dps the enyo allows also allows for kills on cruisers and some hacs (vaga) during xl asb reload. Against tankier bcs like the drake it may take a while however the enyo is honestly in no threat of dieing and after a couple minutes the drakes 70-80k ehp will easily be eaten by a 450 dps enyo.
Casirio
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2012-11-20 22:52:00 UTC
Jerick Ludhowe wrote:
Casirio wrote:
my alliance mate loves his enyo. he takes down much bigger ships solo with it


Very true. Enyo is extremely good against larger ships IF you are able to make a full tackle and fast orbit with ab to mitigate damage. The speed tank coupled with nos/smar combo means that you will easily be able to tank a cruiser and up so long as large numbers of nuets/webs are not involved. Drones are also a non issue as faction AM pretty much 1 shots hobbies and warriors meaning that after 10-15 seconds a flight of 5 small drones is dead and gone. The large dps the enyo allows also allows for kills on cruisers and some hacs (vaga) during xl asb reload. Against tankier bcs like the drake it may take a while however the enyo is honestly in no threat of dieing and after a couple minutes the drakes 70-80k ehp will easily be eaten by a 450 dps enyo.


yeah here is his last drake kill solo with his enyo
Taoist Dragon
x Never Regret x
#12 - 2012-11-20 23:38:35 UTC
meh! tbh you can kill a pve fit drake with pretty much anything fitted for pvp.

rifters and punishers even. I like killing them in thrashers Shocked

But to OP pick whichever you enjoy flying more. if you are an in your face blaster guys go Gallente. Wan't abit more versilitiy go Caldari.

I fly them all but I pick minnie as my fave race for their tactical flexibility.

Fly dangerous o7

That is the Way, the Tao.

Balance is everything.
Liam Inkuras
Furnace
#13 - 2012-11-21 00:30:20 UTC
Thanks guys for all the great replies. I'm going to rain Caldari first as I'm going to need to do the missile skills sooner or later, but I'll come back to Gallente very soon for sure Smile

I wear my goggles at night.

Any spelling/grammatical errors come complimentary with my typing on a phone
Jerick Ludhowe
Internet Tuff Guys
#14 - 2012-11-21 01:33:42 UTC
Liam Inkuras wrote:
Thanks guys for all the great replies. I'm going to rain Caldari first as I'm going to need to do the missile skills sooner or later, but I'll come back to Gallente very soon for sure Smile


Give it a few months and you should be more or less maxed with both races AFs. As people have stated they all have their niche's and are also all good at solo pvp if that's what you end up doing. Gal and caldari AFs are beast for sure.
Nylith Empyreal
Sutar Rein
#15 - 2012-11-21 02:02:18 UTC
Enyo is an awesome nugget, sturdy as **** too. I wonder what it'll be like when they change the t2's up, especially seeing as they made the incursus an active tanker.

Who's the more foolish the fool or the fool who replies to him?
OT Smithers
Buccaneer's Den
Dock Workers
#16 - 2012-11-22 09:12:00 UTC
As others have said, both races are fantastic and offer an incredible range of options. The Enyo, for example, is exceptional both with blasters (for close range brawling) or with rails (for longer range DPS). The Ishkur is, in the right hands, perhaps the deadliest AF in the game. The Harpy can be fit in any of a number of ways (and is currently my favorite AF), and the Hawk is a beast.
Danny John-Peter
Blue Canary
Watch This
#17 - 2012-11-22 11:23:32 UTC
As far as I know, the Enyo will kill pretty much anything up close, massive DPS and decent buffer, the Caldari ones can abuse the ASB module for very strong active tanks.

They are both very good.
Fade Azura
Weaponized Autists Cartel
#18 - 2012-11-23 04:29:54 UTC
The ishkur is a great kiting ship with rails and a few flight of light drones ... at least it did decent in my experience. i used it a ton back in july when we were cleansing the southern regions.

http://eve-kill.net/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=717662&view=ships_weapons&m=7&y=2012

i cant even count the number of times another ship tried to run me down in fleet engagements for a hard tackle and i overheated MWD and kited them with spike+warr's at 20-50km away. usually by the time they try to bail its too late or i already turned around and pointed them and had loaded jav to finish them off. although i went through literally HUNDREDS of warriors lol. usually i was able to replenish my drone bay after the fight looting warriors from wrecks that littered the field ... so no big deal. nice podkiller too.

Enyo is a beast up close and i plan to use that as well at some point.
OT Smithers
Buccaneer's Den
Dock Workers
#19 - 2012-11-23 08:28:52 UTC
All are fantastic kiting or brawling ships. This is one of their great strengths -- no one seeing the ship type knows for sure how it's fit, so they are generally forced to commit blind. Most people expect the Enyo, for example, to run blasters and come in close for face melting DPS. However, the rail Enyo (properly fit of course) can provide impressive DPS all the way out to warp disruptor range. And for the enemy expecting to engage a blaster ship to discover themselves faced with a fast railgun armed wrecking machine, the mistake can be fatal. The same can be said of the Harpy and Hawk.

The Hawk, for example, can be armed with rockets for close range brawling, or light missiles for 180 dps or so all the way out to fifty or sixty km. And that will screw up your whole day. The Harpy, as most people know, can field an incredible tank and does great dps as a blaster ship, but fit it with rails and the double bonus to optimal turns this into one of the best kiting frigates in the game. If you think the Arty Wolf is scary, wait till you see a rail Harpy.

In my opinion the Assault Frigates greatest strength is their versatility. They can be fit well for a wide variety of roles. And when it comes to AF's the Caldari and Gallente have it made.



Sister Lumi
Doomheim
#20 - 2012-11-23 11:05:48 UTC
Best part is that they, like all frigs, are crazy fun to fly :)

I mean that's what we play this game for, to have a good time!
12Next page