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Starr FFox
Boring Co.
#1 - 2012-11-20 16:18:35 UTC
Im horrible at math. Can someone answer please what mines more per hour? 3 retrievers or 2 hulks and an orca ? I would assume 2 hulks with orca boost would, but with mining changes , os this still true?
CataCourier
Gordon Industries
#2 - 2012-11-20 16:34:26 UTC
2 hulks and an orca mine significantly more than 3 retrievers.
Dave Stark
#3 - 2012-11-20 16:52:35 UTC
without factoring hauling time.

2 macks > 1 orca 1 hulk
2 hulks 1 orca > 3 macs.

3 accounts is roughly the point at which you should definitely be considering an orca.
however if you really want to be lazy, 1 hulk 1 orca isn't that far behind, especially once you consider hauling time.
Salpad
Carebears with Attitude
#4 - 2012-11-20 17:25:33 UTC
Dave stark wrote:
without factoring hauling time.

2 macks > 1 orca 1 hulk
2 hulks 1 orca > 3 macs.

3 accounts is roughly the point at which you should definitely be considering an orca.
however if you really want to be lazy, 1 hulk 1 orca isn't that far behind, especially once you consider hauling time.


Longer stripper range is also convenient.
Styth spiting
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#5 - 2012-11-20 18:48:59 UTC
Starr FFox wrote:
Im horrible at math. Can someone answer please what mines more per hour? 3 retrievers or 2 hulks and an orca ? I would assume 2 hulks with orca boost would, but with mining changes , os this still true?


Using EFT, max skills, no implants, drones used are mining drones II, T2 mining crystals.


185,640 m3/hour - 2 Hulks
223,080 m3/hour - 2 Hulks + drones
297,840 m3/hour - 2 Hulks + drones + Orca (no mining foreman mindlink)
353,040 m3/hour - 2 Hulks + drones + Orca + foreman mindlink


229,500 m3/hour - 3 Retrievers
285,660 m3/hour - 3 Retrievers + drones
314,100 m3/hour - 3 Retrievers + drones + 1 character with mining foreman V

So 3 retrievers with one of the miners boosting will out yield everything besides the Orca with the 1.2B mining foreman mindlink implant.

With no mining foreman implant, but also not having one of your retrievers not boosting (why wouldn't you?) the 2 hulks + orca will out yield the retrievers.

So unless you have a max boosting Orca plus the mining foreman mindlink the retrievers will out yield per hour.

This doesn't take into consideration yield lost to hauling time though. with 3 - 4 hauling trips per hour you are looking at some loss, or if you have only 1 miner haul while 2 others continue your losses obviously decrease.
Bugsy VanHalen
Society of lost Souls
#6 - 2012-11-20 21:06:44 UTC

Yes, that is the right answer. ^^

It is not black and white. One or the other. It all depends on the boosts. Very few small mining operations actually have maxed ORCA boosts. If you have max boosting skills, use T2 gang links, and have the mining foremen implant, then yes as described above two hulks and an orca will out mine 3 retrievers. If you are close to max boost but not quite it totally depends on your exact set up. As also indicated above you can gain all the skill boosts including the mining foremen implant from a pilot in one of the mining ships. you only lose the ganklink bonuses.

Personally I use the ORCA to haul with simplifies every thing so much I do not care if my yield is absolutely maxed. As long as you do not completely gimp your yield for tank you will do well.
Starr FFox
Boring Co.
#7 - 2012-11-20 21:51:33 UTC
I have to nearly maxed hilk pilots and a mediocre or a pilot with t2 boosts... Is the implant worth buying? Orca pilot shares account with combat pilot i guess i can pause training and skill ip orca somemore. Ty for your input
Zyella Stormborn
Green Seekers
#8 - 2012-11-20 22:05:17 UTC
Also don't forget the loss from Asteroid depletion on 2 lasers vs 3 lasers unless you have someone actively scanning and marking 'roid amounts.

I have found it makes a VERY noticeable difference in m3 / hour as a final with my Hulk over Mack. When you only have 2 lasers going, and you pull in a partial, it hurts a hell of a lot more than having 3 lasers going and pulling in a partial on one of them. ;)

There is a special Hell for people like that, Right next to child molestors, and people that talk in the theater. ~Firefly
Styth spiting
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2012-11-20 23:30:28 UTC
Starr FFox wrote:
I have to nearly maxed hilk pilots and a mediocre or a pilot with t2 boosts... Is the implant worth buying? Orca pilot shares account with combat pilot i guess i can pause training and skill ip orca somemore. Ty for your input



Not really if you're only mining with 1 hulk + orca. It only really pays off if you mine with several alts or do mining ops for a corp/alliance. Maybe if you mine 10+ hours per day, or plan on never having your orca pilot podded (and losing the implant).

Using the above hourly yields you're looking at about 5M isk per hour difference with the mindlink implant. At 1.2B isk this means you would need to mine 240 hours before breaking even. If you mine 2 hours per day that's 4 months. And that assumes perfect mining yield every hour, every day (no partial roids mined, perfect mining drone placement, etc.). Realistically it would take 5 - 6 months.
CataCourier
Gordon Industries
#10 - 2012-11-21 00:09:05 UTC  |  Edited by: CataCourier
Styth spiting wrote:

297,840 m3/hour - 2 Hulks + drones + Orca (no mining foreman mindlink)

314,100 m3/hour - 3 Retrievers + drones + 1 character with mining foreman V

This doesn't take into consideration yield lost to hauling time though. with 3 - 4 hauling trips per hour you are looking at some loss, or if you have only 1 miner haul while 2 others continue your losses obviously decrease.




On paper, it looks like they have more yield, but that is NOT THE CASE. You'll have to make at least 3 trips an hour to haul ore, which means that you're missing out on 6+ cycles of ore total.... which is significantly more than the 17k difference on paper. On top of that, you have to look at laser waste, re-targetting, drone lag, etc.

Effectively, yes, it is black and white. Paper output does not take into account the items mentioned above.

Edit: Also, I would not recommend going with the Mining Foreman Mindlink unless you expand your mining team. For 2 mining characters and an Orca, it would take way too long to make up the cost of the implant. There is always a risk of getting ganked.
Arronicus
State War Academy
Caldari State
#11 - 2012-11-21 05:40:46 UTC
CataCourier wrote:
Styth spiting wrote:

297,840 m3/hour - 2 Hulks + drones + Orca (no mining foreman mindlink)

314,100 m3/hour - 3 Retrievers + drones + 1 character with mining foreman V

This doesn't take into consideration yield lost to hauling time though. with 3 - 4 hauling trips per hour you are looking at some loss, or if you have only 1 miner haul while 2 others continue your losses obviously decrease.




On paper, it looks like they have more yield, but that is NOT THE CASE. You'll have to make at least 3 trips an hour to haul ore, which means that you're missing out on 6+ cycles of ore total.... which is significantly more than the 17k difference on paper. On top of that, you have to look at laser waste, re-targetting, drone lag, etc.

Effectively, yes, it is black and white. Paper output does not take into account the items mentioned above.

Edit: Also, I would not recommend going with the Mining Foreman Mindlink unless you expand your mining team. For 2 mining characters and an Orca, it would take way too long to make up the cost of the implant. There is always a risk of getting ganked.


Aside from having the orca afk boosting in a pos, of course.

Very enlightening though, on the time to validate spending the isk on the mindlink, thanks. Wish I bought some when they were 100m lol