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i am disappointed in null sec people. (TL:DR talking about local chat.) read first post.

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Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#1361 - 2012-11-19 09:12:47 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:
Yes there is and maybe making Null more like WH is a step in the right direction, give the miners somewhere safer to mine as well as the combat pilots, but have the anoms like they are now. Make people be actively involved in their own safety, like having to use D-Scan and kill of the crutch that is local.


i'm glad that you care so much about nullsec that you want it to be more like wormhole space

we care about wormholes so much too, we want it to be more like nullsec!

let's start with getting rid of those pesky mass limitations, making it harder to close wormholes intentionally, allowing supers and titans to cyno in, allowing fleets to get bridged in and otherwise making it so that wormholes aren't a place to hide from your enemies while building up insurmountable force in the form of large numbers of capitals that often reach critical mass where they cannot be killed without bringing in a number of capitals impossible to move through a wormhole, or supers, which cannot enter wormholes period

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"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Mirima Thurander
#1362 - 2012-11-19 09:13:08 UTC
Andski wrote:
Mirima Thurander wrote:
Maybe null ISK sucks because there's really no risk to null.


nullsec is the riskiest space, period

wormholes have a fourth the population of nullsec but 1/20th the ship kills

statistically that makes wormholes safer than hisec, let alone k-space 0.0


And 90% of shops killed in null are fleet ships that u joined fleet knowing might die.

90% of WHs ships killed are in sleeper sites die do to getting pvped.

All automated intel should be removed from the game including Instant local/jumps/kills/cynos for all systems/regions.Eve should report nothing like this to the client/3rd party software.Intel should not be force fed to players. Player skill and iniative should be the sources of intel.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#1363 - 2012-11-19 09:14:43 UTC
Mirima Thurander wrote:
90% of WHs ships killed are in sleeper sites die do to getting pvped.


right, the only viable targets in wormholes are soft targets since any serious attack will lead to facing insurmountable numbers of capitals

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"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Shepard Wong Ogeko
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#1364 - 2012-11-19 09:16:29 UTC
Mirima Thurander wrote:
Andski wrote:
Mirima Thurander wrote:
Maybe null ISK sucks because there's really no risk to null.


nullsec is the riskiest space, period

wormholes have a fourth the population of nullsec but 1/20th the ship kills

statistically that makes wormholes safer than hisec, let alone k-space 0.0


And 90% of shops killed in null are fleet ships that u joined fleet knowing might die.

90% of WHs ships killed are in sleeper sites die do to getting pvped.



It is almost as if nullsec and w-space are for different types of spaceship play and have mechanics that reflect that.
Frying Doom
#1365 - 2012-11-19 09:16:29 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
And if you take out the corporately sponsored kills coming from ship replacement programs funded by moon mining how much do you have left?

Null has so many kills due to its hand outs, not due to anything else. I asked a goon pilot one day why he blobs, his response "They pay me"

What do you think would be happening if there were no ship replacement program?

No ship replacement and no paying your pilots, well less fights that's for sure, your pilots would be less willing to risk their own isk on so many runs, that and a lot of your pilots would probably move on to other games as you were not paying them for their time. Null sec would probably be easier for smaller alliances to move into as it would be harder to afford the hundreds of billions of isk you guys have paid in sov bills.

Who ever came up with moon mining really should have thought more about it before doing it.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#1366 - 2012-11-19 09:17:08 UTC
Mirima Thurander wrote:
U seam upset u can't steam roll WH corps with out some skill as a small gang.


yeah small gangs matter

tell us another one

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"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Mirima Thurander
#1367 - 2012-11-19 09:17:47 UTC
Andski wrote:
Mirima Thurander wrote:
90% of WHs ships killed are in sleeper sites die do to getting pvped.


right, the only viable targets in wormholes are soft targets since any serious attack will lead to facing insurmountable numbers of capitals

Just like null lololol.

All automated intel should be removed from the game including Instant local/jumps/kills/cynos for all systems/regions.Eve should report nothing like this to the client/3rd party software.Intel should not be force fed to players. Player skill and iniative should be the sources of intel.
Frying Doom
#1368 - 2012-11-19 09:18:56 UTC
Andski wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
Yes there is and maybe making Null more like WH is a step in the right direction, give the miners somewhere safer to mine as well as the combat pilots, but have the anoms like they are now. Make people be actively involved in their own safety, like having to use D-Scan and kill of the crutch that is local.


i'm glad that you care so much about nullsec that you want it to be more like wormhole space

we care about wormholes so much too, we want it to be more like nullsec!

let's start with getting rid of those pesky mass limitations, making it harder to close wormholes intentionally, allowing supers and titans to cyno in, allowing fleets to get bridged in and otherwise making it so that wormholes aren't a place to hide from your enemies while building up insurmountable force in the form of large numbers of capitals that often reach critical mass where they cannot be killed without bringing in a number of capitals impossible to move through a wormhole, or supers, which cannot enter wormholes period

So just another boring Blobfest... and you wonder why Null is so dead. Yes WH's should be for small gang and Null for more bloby fighting but Null as it is, is just not working and some minor alterations would make it a lot more appealing to people other than the blob.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#1369 - 2012-11-19 09:19:04 UTC
also according to MIRIAM THUNDER some random small gang can obviously put up with a fleet of capitals and blap dreads hiding behind the dumbest mechanics in the game that make them near-immune

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"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Frying Doom
#1370 - 2012-11-19 09:20:41 UTC
Andski wrote:
Mirima Thurander wrote:
U seam upset u can't steam roll WH corps with out some skill as a small gang.


yeah small gangs matter

tell us another one

The loss of a WH is of more import to the corp based in it than if you lost sov in 10 systems, so yes small gang matters.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#1371 - 2012-11-19 09:21:09 UTC
Mirima Thurander wrote:
Just like null lololol.


except, in nullsec, nothing stops you from counter-dropping a hostile capital fleet with supercapitals or a gang of neuting tempests

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"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#1372 - 2012-11-19 09:21:41 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:
No ship replacement and no paying your pilots

What do you mean, "paying your pilots"? I don't get money for PVPing.

Frying Doom wrote:
well less fights that's for sure, your pilots would be less willing to risk their own isk on so many runs, that and a lot of your pilots would probably move on to other games as you were not paying them for their time. Null sec would probably be easier for smaller alliances to move into as it would be harder to afford the hundreds of billions of isk you guys have paid in sov bills.

In short, nullsec would be a lot less epic.

Well, obviously it's not as epic as it could've been, since literally all wars die off within a few weeks, because there's no emotional attachment to the space because people generally don't live there, but supposedly CCP will be ~doing things~ there soon.

Frying Doom wrote:
Who ever came up with moon mining really should have thought more about it before doing it.

Actually, yes. They should've thought of making alliance income bottom up, not top down. Oh well.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Frying Doom
#1373 - 2012-11-19 09:22:01 UTC
Andski wrote:
also according to MIRIAM THUNDER some random small gang can obviously put up with a fleet of capitals and blap dreads hiding behind the dumbest mechanics in the game that make them near-immune

Dumbest mechanic....No I think tech moons still win that one.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#1374 - 2012-11-19 09:22:11 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:
The loss of a WH is of more import to the corp based in it than if you lost sov in 10 systems, so yes small gang matters.


yes small gangs can counter groups of captials that usually outnumber them

tell us another one frying doom

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Mirima Thurander
#1375 - 2012-11-19 09:22:20 UTC
Andski wrote:
also according to MIRIAM THUNDER some random small gang can obviously put up with a fleet of capitals and blap dreads hiding behind the dumbest mechanics in the game that make them near-immune

guess what when u shoot a guys pod IN a wh while he is plexing he gets sent to kspace
And has to find a way back in.

U do this enough and there's no one to fly all these caps your so afraid of.

Want to try one more?

All automated intel should be removed from the game including Instant local/jumps/kills/cynos for all systems/regions.Eve should report nothing like this to the client/3rd party software.Intel should not be force fed to players. Player skill and iniative should be the sources of intel.
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#1376 - 2012-11-19 09:22:42 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:
So just another boring Blobfest... and you wonder why Null is so dead. Yes WH's should be for small gang and Null for more bloby fighting but Null as it is, is just not working and some minor alterations would make it a lot more appealing to people other than the blob.

No, null isn't so dead because of blobs, null is so dead because hisec, lowsec and WHs are much more attractive economically, given the amount of effort you have to put in.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#1377 - 2012-11-19 09:24:00 UTC
Mirima Thurander wrote:
guess what when u shoot a guys pod IN a wh while he is plexing he gets sent to kspace
And has to find a way back in.

U do this enough and there's no one to fly all these caps your so afraid of.

Want to try one more?


not my fault you guys haven't figured out that whole "fly capitals on alts, not mains" thing

more successful groups, however, have

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"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Frying Doom
#1378 - 2012-11-19 09:27:55 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
No ship replacement and no paying your pilots

What do you mean, "paying your pilots"? I don't get money for PVPing.


Well according to your grunts, your getting ripped off, unless you have full access to the corp account that is
In short, nullsec would be a lot less epic.

Lord Zim wrote:
Well, obviously it's not as epic as it could've been, since literally all wars die off within a few weeks, because there's no emotional attachment to the space because people generally don't live there, but supposedly CCP will be ~doing things~ there soon.

That is why I am suggesting a shift where they move parts of WH's to null like grav sites that need to be scanned down, then it is profitable and Null has access to all mineral types in abundance and by removing null the pilot does not broadcast his presence to some one just popping into the system.

Where as a proper fix of null would be huge resources and will probably never happen as using that many resources on Null will annoy the rest of the playerbase.

Lord Zim wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
Who ever came up with moon mining really should have thought more about it before doing it.

Actually, yes. They should've thought of making alliance income bottom up, not top down. Oh well.

Definitely and this really needs to be a priority but it may already be to late as some alliances are now so rich that they could go on for years.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Mirima Thurander
#1379 - 2012-11-19 09:29:55 UTC
Andski wrote:
Mirima Thurander wrote:
guess what when u shoot a guys pod IN a wh while he is plexing he gets sent to kspace
And has to find a way back in.

U do this enough and there's no one to fly all these caps your so afraid of.

Want to try one more?


not my fault you guys haven't figured out that whole "fly capitals on alts, not mains" thing

more successful groups, however, have

if they have no support fleet a few balgs do in there cap fleet so.

But u have no idea how to take a small fleet and use it to SKILLFULLY pick apart a larger but not blob sized fleet.

But no matter how skilled a fleet is 500 people shooting at 20 highly skilled people will forever win.

All automated intel should be removed from the game including Instant local/jumps/kills/cynos for all systems/regions.Eve should report nothing like this to the client/3rd party software.Intel should not be force fed to players. Player skill and iniative should be the sources of intel.
Frying Doom
#1380 - 2012-11-19 09:33:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Frying Doom
Lord Zim wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
So just another boring Blobfest... and you wonder why Null is so dead. Yes WH's should be for small gang and Null for more bloby fighting but Null as it is, is just not working and some minor alterations would make it a lot more appealing to people other than the blob.

No, null isn't so dead because of blobs, null is so dead because hisec, lowsec and WHs are much more attractive economically, given the amount of effort you have to put in.

Actually for me it was blobs and having a super carrier drop on me wasn't high on the list.

Definitely funny, I must have been real scary to need a super to kill Lol

No the money was not great but the major lowering of isk/hr was blobs as you really cannot hope to fight 50-100 people in a small gang and win.

Did I make then what I do now? No not even close. Did I have to pay as much attention in Null? Not even close.

Null is no longer the best isk/hr return and it should not be either but yes it does need better isk/hr but mostly via manufacturing rather than having more inflation, thank you incursions.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!