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i am disappointed in null sec people. (TL:DR talking about local chat.) read first post.

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Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#1301 - 2012-11-19 08:05:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Andski
of course the wormhole people will be terribly opposed to anything that makes life in wormholes more ~interesting~ and introduces actual risk because they have no balls

clearly the nullseccers are less cowardly than they are because they actually put up with hotdrops, supercaps and blobs

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James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#1302 - 2012-11-19 08:05:57 UTC
Mirima Thurander wrote:
I'm In a buffer tanked omni resist ship running sleeper sites with RR and corp mates. I'm in a far better spot than they are 90% of the time unless there's a wh I missed and there more of them than us.

Thank you for finally acknowledging one of the primary differences between w-space PVE and nullsec PVE. You may go back to your corner now and think about why this is important.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Mirima Thurander
#1303 - 2012-11-19 08:07:39 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Mirima Thurander wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:


You seem to be under the impression that d-scan is hard.

But u not 10 posts ago someone said watching local all the time was hard.

MAKE UP YOUR MINDS.

No, I'm merely saying it takes about as much effort as it does to watch d-scan.

The part you're conveniently ignoring is how in w-space the fact that cloaked ships don't show up on d-scan doesn't matter, whereas it does in nullsec.

How dose it not matter? That's the thing I a wh we assume there's a cloaked ship about to point us at all times and we go about are day prepared for it.

All automated intel should be removed from the game including Instant local/jumps/kills/cynos for all systems/regions.Eve should report nothing like this to the client/3rd party software.Intel should not be force fed to players. Player skill and iniative should be the sources of intel.
Frying Doom
#1304 - 2012-11-19 08:07:45 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:

You seem to be under the impression that d-scan is hard.

So its easy is it.

Glad to see you have gone over to the removal local side.

Enjoy your easy spamming.

Tell us more about how dscanning sees cloaked ships

Oh no we can't just have cloaked ships functioning as if they are, whats the word....

Oh that's it cloaked,
Yeah wonderful technology that is and it makes so much sense too, build a ship that you cannot see and cannot be scanned but then broadcasts its presence to every one in the system.

Would that not imply the broken part of the game is local.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#1305 - 2012-11-19 08:08:31 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:
Well thankfully for you CCP has the answer as they are attempting to make PvP and PvE so similar you use the same ship.

I'd watch what they can actually do rather than what they say they'll do, if I were you.

Frying Doom wrote:
Yes in W-Holes you assess what is on D-scan and fight or hide depending on if you have the numbers, but you can only see within d-scan range, which in a lot of cases is not the whole system.

It's still sufficient to give you a few seconds worth of warning before someone lands on you, whereas in nullsec the first hint would be someone uncloaking within 7.5km of you and scrambling you.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Frying Doom
#1306 - 2012-11-19 08:08:45 UTC
Andski wrote:
of course the wormhole people will be terribly opposed to anything that makes life in wormholes more ~interesting~ and introduces actual risk because they have no balls

clearly the nullseccers are less cowardly than they are because they actually put up with hotdrops, supercaps and blobs

Or they just don't want the same crap that has turned Null into an empty waste land.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
EI Digin
irc.zulusquad.org
#1307 - 2012-11-19 08:10:08 UTC
Mirima Thurander wrote:
I'm In a buffer tanked omni resist ship running sleeper sites with RR and corp mates. I'm in a far better spot than they are 90% of the time unless there's a wh I missed and there more of them than us.


Thank you for telling us that WHs are safer than nullsec. Do you enjoy playing eve on easy-mode?

Frying Doom wrote:
Or they just don't want the same crap that has turned Null into an empty waste land.


Here we go again!
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#1308 - 2012-11-19 08:10:09 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:
Or they just don't want the same crap that has turned Null into an empty waste land.


instead, they want nullsec to be absolutely **** because those who live in wormholes are usually those who didn't cut it in the cut-throat world that is nullsec, so they want to punish those who actually succeeded

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"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Frying Doom
#1309 - 2012-11-19 08:10:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Frying Doom
Lord Zim wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
Well thankfully for you CCP has the answer as they are attempting to make PvP and PvE so similar you use the same ship.

I'd watch what they can actually do rather than what they say they'll do, if I were you.

Frying Doom wrote:
Yes in W-Holes you assess what is on D-scan and fight or hide depending on if you have the numbers, but you can only see within d-scan range, which in a lot of cases is not the whole system.

It's still sufficient to give you a few seconds worth of warning before someone lands on you, whereas in nullsec the first hint would be someone uncloaking within 7.5km of you and scrambling you.

Where would someone in a Worm Hole get warning if the person is cloaked, as pointed out cloaked ships do not appear on D-scan.

As to CCP, yes the most likely out come is everyone having to change ship configuration to something completely different and that will actually be easier to gank but we can always hope, after all they have to be right at least once.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#1310 - 2012-11-19 08:11:09 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:

You seem to be under the impression that d-scan is hard.

So its easy is it.

Glad to see you have gone over to the removal local side.

Enjoy your easy spamming.

Tell us more about how dscanning sees cloaked ships

Oh no we can't just have cloaked ships functioning as if they are, whats the word....

Oh that's it cloaked,
Yeah wonderful technology that is and it makes so much sense too, build a ship that you cannot see and cannot be scanned but then broadcasts its presence to every one in the system.

Would that not imply the broken part of the game is local.

They're cloaked, yes, which means they can't be seen and they can't be found. You, on the other hand, can, without the use of anything which gives you any indication whatsoever of where you're at, which means the first indication you have of anyone trying to be hostile against you, is them uncloaking and warpscramming you.

If anoms had required that you actually scan them down, no local wouldn't be such a problem. Thankfully, we have this thing called WH space for those who are inclined to derp around without this terrible local chaining them down.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#1311 - 2012-11-19 08:11:27 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:
Where would someone in a Worm Hole get warning if the person is cloaked, as pointed out cloaked ships do not appear on D-scan.

Probes?

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Mirima Thurander
#1312 - 2012-11-19 08:12:48 UTC
Andski wrote:
Mirima Thurander wrote:
I'm In a buffer tanked omni resist ship running sleeper sites with RR and corp mates. I'm in a far better spot than they are 90% of the time unless there's a wh I missed and there more of them than us.


ah so you live in a wormhole

naturally i'm going to take this opportunity and point out that wormholes have 1/20th the PvP of nullsec and would be much improved if we had the ability to bridge fleets into them, along with dropping titans and supercarriers

also introduce wormhole stabilizers so that we can bring larger fleets inside, wormholes are clearly too safe

See there u go using numbers.

Fleet fights in null accounts for most null ship losses you fleet up expecting to lose your shops at some point.

WHs go about there daily lives expecting to be attacked at any point by a cloaked tackle ship.

in null fleeting up is like cutting on a I accept I'm about to engage in PvP flag.

All automated intel should be removed from the game including Instant local/jumps/kills/cynos for all systems/regions.Eve should report nothing like this to the client/3rd party software.Intel should not be force fed to players. Player skill and iniative should be the sources of intel.
Jeremy Soikutsu
Kite Co. Space Trucking
#1313 - 2012-11-19 08:13:31 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:

Well thankfully for you CCP has the answer as they are attempting to make PvP and PvE so similar you use the same ship.

Soon TM I'm sure. To be fair I am pretty excited for these mission/hot drop repulsion fits.

"Of course you would choose the fun, but you don't lead a relevant entity which has allies." - Colonel Xaven
Mirima Thurander
#1314 - 2012-11-19 08:14:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Mirima Thurander
Lord Zim wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
Well thankfully for you CCP has the answer as they are attempting to make PvP and PvE so similar you use the same ship.

I'd watch what they can actually do rather than what they say they'll do, if I were you.

Frying Doom wrote:
Yes in W-Holes you assess what is on D-scan and fight or hide depending on if you have the numbers, but you can only see within d-scan range, which in a lot of cases is not the whole system.

It's still sufficient to give you a few seconds worth of warning before someone lands on you, whereas in nullsec the first hint would be someone uncloaking within 7.5km of you and scrambling you.

Did u know there's sites in whs that work JUST like your null anoms that don't need probes.

All automated intel should be removed from the game including Instant local/jumps/kills/cynos for all systems/regions.Eve should report nothing like this to the client/3rd party software.Intel should not be force fed to players. Player skill and iniative should be the sources of intel.
Frying Doom
#1315 - 2012-11-19 08:15:54 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
Where would someone in a Worm Hole get warning if the person is cloaked, as pointed out cloaked ships do not appear on D-scan.

Probes?

Oh so that must be for people running grav, ladar and radar sites as anoms do not require probes to find, nor do you need probes to wait for someone to pick up PI and gank their Indy ships.

So it is the same as Null in that respect, if you are running anoms your dead meat if someone is cloaked but you don't get the free intel in WH's

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Mirima Thurander
#1316 - 2012-11-19 08:16:00 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
Where would someone in a Worm Hole get warning if the person is cloaked, as pointed out cloaked ships do not appear on D-scan.

Probes?

U truly don't know it do you. Ha so much for u knowing every thing.

All automated intel should be removed from the game including Instant local/jumps/kills/cynos for all systems/regions.Eve should report nothing like this to the client/3rd party software.Intel should not be force fed to players. Player skill and iniative should be the sources of intel.
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#1317 - 2012-11-19 08:16:22 UTC
Mirima Thurander wrote:
See there u go using numbers

There you go misspelling "you" again.

Mirima Thurander wrote:
Fleet fights in null accounts for most null ship losses you fleet up expecting to lose your shops at some point.

Because everyone else has derped back to hisec to make uninterruptible isk instead.

Mirima Thurander wrote:
WHs go about there daily lives expecting to be attacked at any point by a cloaked tackle ship.

They also have higher rewards, it's harder to get to them, and you need to use probes to find them.

Mirima Thurander wrote:
in null fleeting up is like cutting on a I accept I'm about to engage in PvP flag.

Actually, that's what you do when you log in to eve. Everything's PVP in eve.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Mirima Thurander
#1318 - 2012-11-19 08:17:12 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
Where would someone in a Worm Hole get warning if the person is cloaked, as pointed out cloaked ships do not appear on D-scan.

Probes?

Oh so that must be for people running grav, ladar and radar sites as anoms do not require probes to find, nor do you need probes to wait for someone to pick up PI and gank their Indy ships.

So it is the same as Null in that respect, if you are running anoms your dead meat if someone is cloaked but you don't get the free intel in WH's

That's how you tell people than have been IN A wh from the have nots.

All automated intel should be removed from the game including Instant local/jumps/kills/cynos for all systems/regions.Eve should report nothing like this to the client/3rd party software.Intel should not be force fed to players. Player skill and iniative should be the sources of intel.
EI Digin
irc.zulusquad.org
#1319 - 2012-11-19 08:18:02 UTC
Mirima Thurander wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
Where would someone in a Worm Hole get warning if the person is cloaked, as pointed out cloaked ships do not appear on D-scan.

Probes?

Oh so that must be for people running grav, ladar and radar sites as anoms do not require probes to find, nor do you need probes to wait for someone to pick up PI and gank their Indy ships.

So it is the same as Null in that respect, if you are running anoms your dead meat if someone is cloaked but you don't get the free intel in WH's

That's how you tell people than have been IN A wh from the have nots.


You can easily tell the people who have never lived in nullsec too.

They want local removed.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#1320 - 2012-11-19 08:18:41 UTC
oh crap brb time to close one of the gates into UMI that just spawned

oh wait lol you can't actually do that in nullsec

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar