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i am disappointed in null sec people. (TL:DR talking about local chat.) read first post.

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Frying Doom
#1281 - 2012-11-19 07:53:36 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Mirima Thurander wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Mirima Thurander wrote:
Why don't u go ahead and say it

U like local it keeps you nice and safe with the least amount of effort.

Paying constant attention for hours is not a trivial amount of effort.

Wow u must REALLY have sometching wrong with u if watching local is hard.

You must have something wrong with you if you think it's any harder keeping safe in w-space.

Crap you spam D-scan continuously in Null.

So why would you be worried if they removed Null.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Mirima Thurander
#1282 - 2012-11-19 07:53:55 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Mirima Thurander wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Mirima Thurander wrote:
Why don't u go ahead and say it

U like local it keeps you nice and safe with the least amount of effort.

Paying constant attention for hours is not a trivial amount of effort.

Wow u must REALLY have sometching wrong with u if watching local is hard.

You must have something wrong with you if you think it's any harder keeping safe in w-space.

Nope wh space can be really safe IF u close your exits whs, spam d scan, and hope no cloaky ganker has gotten inside and logged out.

All automated intel should be removed from the game including Instant local/jumps/kills/cynos for all systems/regions.Eve should report nothing like this to the client/3rd party software.Intel should not be force fed to players. Player skill and iniative should be the sources of intel.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#1283 - 2012-11-19 07:54:24 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:
Yeah really dangerous, unlike safe Hi-sec where you can be mining in a system for example and get ganked with your only warning being the sudden appearance of a ship next to you.


there's no warning because miners are afk in untanked barges 99% of the time

nice try, but a miss as always

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#1284 - 2012-11-19 07:55:49 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Mirima Thurander wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Mirima Thurander wrote:
Why don't u go ahead and say it

U like local it keeps you nice and safe with the least amount of effort.

Paying constant attention for hours is not a trivial amount of effort.

Wow u must REALLY have sometching wrong with u if watching local is hard.

You must have something wrong with you if you think it's any harder keeping safe in w-space.

Crap you spam D-scan continuously in Null.

So why would you be worried if they removed Null.

You seem to be under the impression that d-scan is hard.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Mirima Thurander
#1285 - 2012-11-19 07:55:53 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
Andski wrote:
also a key difference between getting ganked in hisec and getting ganked elsewhere is that those who get ganked in hisec are usually those who fit ridiculously shiny mission ships or move valuable cargo in freighters without double wrapping, while those who get ganked elsewhere are usually targets of opportunity

anyone who bleats "nullsec is safer than hisec hurrr" is just clueless

So then the pages of threads on Null sec dwellers complaining about afk cloakers are not really there and you guys don't immediately cloak up as soon as neutrals enter a system.

And you don't have intel channels dedicated to the movement of neutrals.

And the fact that there are so many people now mining in Null, that we are seeing threads about Null bears complaining that the bottom has fallen out of the market for them.

Yeah really dangerous, unlike safe Hi-sec where you can be mining in a system for example and get ganked with your only warning being the sudden appearance of a ship next to you.


High sec: If you fit your ship properly, you will almost never get ganked, even if you're not paying any attention
Null sec: It doesn't matter how you fit your ship, you will get ganked if someone unfriendly finds you when you're not paying attention

Which one of these is more dangerous again?
I'm sorry u can't watch TV and null sec at the same time.

All automated intel should be removed from the game including Instant local/jumps/kills/cynos for all systems/regions.Eve should report nothing like this to the client/3rd party software.Intel should not be force fed to players. Player skill and iniative should be the sources of intel.
Frying Doom
#1286 - 2012-11-19 07:56:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Frying Doom
James Amril-Kesh wrote:

We're of course ignoring wardecs, but in that case local works towards your favor as well so it cancels out.
For the purposes of that post I mean unfriendly as in anyone who isn't explicitly a member of your corp, alliance, or bloc. So therefore people with no standings, neutral standings, and bad/terrible standings.

Not to mention that people who want to gank you in highsec are MUCH more restricted in their ship choices (that is if they don't want to waste a lot of isk doing so but still want to ensure success) whereas in nullsec pretty much any combat capable ship works.

So because you are more likely to be attacked, you believe you should keep your early warning system (that due to the ability to attack non-blues is better than that in Hi-sec) so you can run away.

Really doesn't sound like dangerous lawless space to me more like chicken sec.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#1287 - 2012-11-19 07:56:27 UTC
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
I don't because I'd rather trespass in deserted 0.0 systems, fill up my hold with radar site goodies, then use wormholes to get home. I don't play the game the way you play it, but I see the way you play it kind of makes it boring.

I'm sorry that people are harassing your trade hub. You should put a fleet together and deal with it.

You: If you had a jita, we'd burn that too
Us: We do, actually, and here's where you can find it. bring friends.
You: err... um... actually I'd rather just go in one of your empty systems instead, if you don't mind. please don't hurt me.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#1288 - 2012-11-19 07:57:20 UTC
Mirima Thurander wrote:
And having a reason to be worried when actively flying around in null is a bad thing.


have you ever actually been to nullsec?

don't bother answering that, it's obvious that you haven't

you see, there are these things called "bubbles" that make it risky to fly around in nullsec without a scout alt

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#1289 - 2012-11-19 07:58:19 UTC
Mirima Thurander wrote:
I'm sorry u can't watch TV and null sec at the same time.


hi unless you have two pairs of eyes you can't actually watch local and TV at the same time

try again

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#1290 - 2012-11-19 07:59:01 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:
So because you are more likely to be attacked, you believe you should keep your early warning system (that due to the ability to attack non-blues is better than that in Hi-sec) so you can run away.

Really doesn't sound like dangerous lawless space to me more like chicken sec.

Isn't that exactly what you do if you're in w-space in a sig and probes pop up on dscan?
I mean come on now, you want us to go fight a probably hot dropper in our PVE ships? Yeah, that'll end well.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Frying Doom
#1291 - 2012-11-19 07:59:16 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:

You seem to be under the impression that d-scan is hard.

So its easy is it.

Glad to see you have gone over to the removal local side.

Enjoy your easy spamming.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Mirima Thurander
#1292 - 2012-11-19 07:59:34 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:


You seem to be under the impression that d-scan is hard.

But u not 10 posts ago someone said watching local all the time was hard.

MAKE UP YOUR MINDS.

All automated intel should be removed from the game including Instant local/jumps/kills/cynos for all systems/regions.Eve should report nothing like this to the client/3rd party software.Intel should not be force fed to players. Player skill and iniative should be the sources of intel.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#1293 - 2012-11-19 08:00:21 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:
So its easy is it.

Glad to see you have gone over to the removal local side.

Enjoy your easy spamming.


i think we've explained in all of the other 200 "remove local, i suck at PvP and need CCP to make it easier for me" threads why dscanning would be useless in nullsec without local

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#1294 - 2012-11-19 08:00:34 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:

You seem to be under the impression that d-scan is hard.

So its easy is it.

Glad to see you have gone over to the removal local side.

Enjoy your easy spamming.

I'd mention how I'd appreciate you not putting words in my mouth, but I know you'll disregard anyway.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#1295 - 2012-11-19 08:01:31 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:

You seem to be under the impression that d-scan is hard.

So its easy is it.

Glad to see you have gone over to the removal local side.

Enjoy your easy spamming.

Tell us more about how dscanning sees cloaked ships

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#1296 - 2012-11-19 08:02:02 UTC
Mirima Thurander wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:


You seem to be under the impression that d-scan is hard.

But u not 10 posts ago someone said watching local all the time was hard.

MAKE UP YOUR MINDS.

No, I'm merely saying it takes about as much effort as it does to watch d-scan.

The part you're conveniently ignoring is how in w-space the fact that cloaked ships don't show up on d-scan doesn't matter, whereas it does in nullsec.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Mirima Thurander
#1297 - 2012-11-19 08:02:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Mirima Thurander
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
So because you are more likely to be attacked, you believe you should keep your early warning system (that due to the ability to attack non-blues is better than that in Hi-sec) so you can run away.

Really doesn't sound like dangerous lawless space to me more like chicken sec.

Isn't that exactly what you do if you're in w-space in a sig and probes pop up on dscan?
I mean come on now, you want us to go fight a probably hot dropper in our PVE ships? Yeah, that'll end well.

I'm In a buffer tanked omni resist ship running sleeper sites with RR and corp mates. I'm in a far better spot than they are 90% of the time unless there's a wh I missed and there more of them than us.

I don't give me the more ships die in null u all have over looked that 90% of this are fleet fights that people joined knowing they might die.

All automated intel should be removed from the game including Instant local/jumps/kills/cynos for all systems/regions.Eve should report nothing like this to the client/3rd party software.Intel should not be force fed to players. Player skill and iniative should be the sources of intel.
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#1298 - 2012-11-19 08:03:21 UTC
Mirima Thurander wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:


You seem to be under the impression that d-scan is hard.

But u not 10 posts ago someone said watching local all the time was hard.

MAKE UP YOUR MINDS.

You can also tell us more about how cloaked ships show up on dscan

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Frying Doom
#1299 - 2012-11-19 08:04:23 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
So because you are more likely to be attacked, you believe you should keep your early warning system (that due to the ability to attack non-blues is better than that in Hi-sec) so you can run away.

Really doesn't sound like dangerous lawless space to me more like chicken sec.

Isn't that exactly what you do if you're in w-space in a sig and probes pop up on dscan?
I mean come on now, you want us to go fight a probably hot dropper in our PVE ships? Yeah, that'll end well.

Well thankfully for you CCP has the answer as they are attempting to make PvP and PvE so similar you use the same ship.

Yes in W-Holes you assess what is on D-scan and fight or hide depending on if you have the numbers, but you can only see within d-scan range, which in a lot of cases is not the whole system.

Oh and you have to actively do something to get intel, not just sit there and go 'Oh someone is in the system' as they show up on local.

To be honest I am not really sure when these threads come up, CCP made it clear that Local is here to stay a few months ago on a Test server thread.

But it is always nice to pick on Null secers.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#1300 - 2012-11-19 08:04:51 UTC
Mirima Thurander wrote:
I'm In a buffer tanked omni resist ship running sleeper sites with RR and corp mates. I'm in a far better spot than they are 90% of the time unless there's a wh I missed and there more of them than us.


ah so you live in a wormhole

naturally i'm going to take this opportunity and point out that wormholes have 1/20th the PvP of nullsec and would be much improved if we had the ability to bridge fleets into them, along with dropping titans and supercarriers

also introduce wormhole stabilizers so that we can bring larger fleets inside, wormholes are clearly too safe

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar