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So clearly based on feedback in this thread, part of this change "might be something good!" while other parts very well "might be something bad!".

I am waiting to get a sign from the team that owns this that they see they haven't got this change nearly right yet and to clarify when they will be inflicting this "wonder" on the 'verse?

So "Team Planetary Infarction", are you listening? Will you be open to changing how this will work? When should we expect this?

If they have already answered this sorry to ask something "asked and answered" but I couldn't see that we've had any feedback about our feedback.

Issler

I think a more critical question is whether or not there are any members in Team Pi left to actually alter the code in a timely manner? Or if because of the sudden layoffs, that they will deploy the feature as is, and revise later as needed? (given this is part of the preparation process for DUST 514)

I think the most we can hope for is to push for a implementation of feature link with CC Upgrades skill so each level of the skill increases the m3 CC launch capacity on Temperate and Barren CC installations so that at LVL 5 you have the 2500m3 that is needed to get Tier 4 Adv. Commodities off planet (though highly inefficient)

And no they have not conclusively stated when the feature will be launched but others have pointed to the Winter Expansion in previous posts.

I'm all for increasing the amount of m3 you can launch with a rocket (via the command center skill), but it shouldn't come close to being able to compete with the capacity of a customs office.

Let me explain how this is not a complete way to circumvent the convinience of a POCO.

In Tier 4 production the processor cycles 1x per hour, generating (using Organic Mortar Applicators [OMA] as example) 100m3 - this would most likely be deposited into a Spaceport of 10,000m3.

After 72 hours, you will have 7200m3 worth of OMA's in storage and only one more 24 cycle before the Spaceport will be close to full.

The fact that even at this point you can only remove 2500m3 of OMA via Rocket Payload will require a minimum 'daily' maintenance run to unload the OMA's. And if the gate is camped and you get popped or simply can't risk the ship loss to try and get through you're risking your Tier 4 production 'wasting' due to storage limits.

Further, please notice there is no mention of 'Import' via the Command Center - that should remain exclusively under the POCO as it is currently, to supply the colony with P2 or P3 commodities for processing. <<<

Such a change is only intended to address the volume size of Tier 4 Advanced Commodities, rather than circumvent POCO use.

For P4 Colony Operators, the POCO will always be preferable, but having a rocket payload capacity allows players to adapt to player interaction situations without depriving the market of consistent P4 production. It puts a focus on scanning down Rocket Launches and Indy Pilots trying to get them, and removes a Low Sec Kill Mail farming ability by removing a one way in one way out situation with P4 Commodities.

So while there would be an initial adoption of exclusive rocket payload use, it would diminish as PI operators engage in player interaction and become comfortable with using particular POCO's or setting them up themselves; all the while without giving others a Kill Mail farm due to the "one way in one way out" aspect of the POCO feature as it is currently iterated in as regards P4 commodities.

Lastly, if in the event that a particular Temperate or Barren planet with P4 production is not seeded by anyone with a POCO, it will allow the PI operator (if they haven't done so already before release) the ability to slowly remove their P4 commodity, rather than it becoming a total loss. Further, if a POCO is established but during the course of play it is contested and destroyed and nothing is put in its place, again the PI Operator is able to slowly recover the P4 commodities unless and until another POCO is anchored.

If analyzed, it has merit and should be discussed.

Assuming that CCP has the entire process, game design and implementation plan already documented and signed off by the project team and executive sponsor(s).

I agree with your point, though.

Having a robust and professionally written back-story regarding this change will help with immersion. At this point, we get "hey guys, here is the change that we are going to implement" (not a bad thing) rather than here is the back story resulting in this changed game play.

@ CCP: In this time of austerity (at least for those laid off) at CCP what should we, as service subscribers, expect to see regarding the level of science fiction content tied to game functionality changes?

Kassasis Dakkstromri proposed that command center upgrade skill also upgrade the launch capabilities of the command center. Makes a lot of sense to me.

I like my idea of non-destructible CO's better than the plan proposed by CCP. However, if they go with destructible CO's, on low resource planets, where it doesn't make sense to put up a CO, being able to launch a respectable amount of resources makes alot of sense.


Nikollai Tesla proposed the idea that a percentage of the actual goods be confiscated rather than a tax based on some arbitrary number. This would make the tax rate vary with market prices. If the price of robotics doubles, the ISK (or equivalent) you get from taxes also doubles. If you charge tax based on a arbitrary number, the ISK you receive from taxes is constant.

I think this idea also has merit.

With any of the proposals up to now, once the PCO is setup or is owned, you totally forget about it, unless you need to defend it or rep it. There is nothing to do other than defend or repair it, no other tasks to perform, entirely passive income, which some on this thread complained about.

If I got taxes in the form of hard goods, and not ISK in a wallet, I would need to go to the PCO, pick up the goods, and either use them for my own production of PI goods, or sell them in a market. That gives other players the chance to kill me too and loot whatever my ship drops.

If I didn't pick up my stuff that I got from taxes, and the hanger was full of taxed goods, I would cease collecting taxes.

If the goods in the tax hanger dropped when the PCO was either destroyed or changed ownership, it gives an incentive to both attack the PCO to get the goods, and to defend the PCO to keep the goods. I do think the goods that PI producers on the planet put into the PCO should not change ownership in the event of a PCO changing hands. If they did change hands, people would just keep it in the launchpad until they were ready to pick it up. Another point for changing ownership of the PCO's and not actually destroying them in my opinion.

This does cause some issues with corporate roles, already an issue with people. POS's are bad enough, but add tens of PCO's as well to the administrative burden of a few in corp, and having to be able to fly a hauler and go get the goods from PCO's.

It also causes huge problems of logistics. How do you collect the taxed goods from 20 PCO's if each tax hanger in each PCO is full of (pick a number) 200,000 m3 of PI materials? Would this mean freighters accessing PCO's in low and null sec? Not me, that would be a total disincentive for me to own a PCO at all. A couple trips every day in a deep space transport to haul this crap someplace? Nope, not me and I would think very few.

Agree, but...



Like say, a POS mining moon goo? They're all over lowsec. Their commodities are critical to T2 production.



Actually, I think that's the line to draw - sovereignty. In lowsec you can build industrial structures, own corp assets, plunder the resources, but you can't hold sov and build a station.

WOWwwww

So the oldies get another dev add-on. My son just quit Eve since no point playing a game that takes one year to be able to play.

Spending time developing features for the very few oldies and forgetting the < 1 year players means attrition will loose players!

Fix the new player barrier to Null/Low Sec first!!!

I want new and old in Null. Right now its mostly the reckless new being bashed and good players.

Fix the GATES, more entrances so LESS CHOKE POINTS, no GATE ALERTS for info on the other side of the gate issues!

Give everyone choices to make their routes, not blind luck for the newer to fail miserably.


Hey why not do something big even like SMALL HOLDINGS? Its a win win for all if their taxed or something.

Would'nt it be better to to have the choice of "taking over" OR "blowing it up" the customs office? Like after the reinforcement timer is up you can send in "Militia" or "troops" for some random dice throwing? But I guess that woul have to have some more thought in it as well... Having the only option to blow something up gets a bit boring to me after a while.

We all know the prices will go up, the taxes will go up, the ability to get product out will go down, cost of control will go up, and the risk of ships will go up.
Prices up = good for PI guys, bad for pos guys and indy guys. Demand falls of course. Pos's are retired being unprofitable.
Taxes up = good for Control guys, bad for PI guys. There goes PI profit.
Product logistics = risky to non-existant, bad for PI guys. Barring any other problem, if product is stuck, it is worthless.
Cost of control/ships = high. Bad for PI. Even if the fight for PI is worth it (high prices), the taxes are low, and the logistics is free, the cost of losing ships and buying the PI control center easily and quickly removes all profitability.
Let alone the effect on demand for retired POS's with higher fuel prices and for other indy activities.

If CCP can limit the maximum tax rate, prevent PI logistics disruption, and increase the amount of product the colonies can process and extract, this might work OK. Increases the product per colony will actually allow people to care (more ISK) enough to fight over it while helping reduce product cost so that the infrastructure which uses it doesn't collapse. If CCP wants more fighting over PI, increase the 0.0 yield and processing ability while decreasing HS product yield. Don't do anything else.