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CCP Eterne Deals Blow to New Order Resistance

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admiral root
Red Galaxy
#141 - 2012-11-19 00:38:36 UTC
NEONOVUS wrote:
So the miners move onto industry (we set the prices actually) and leave the afkish stuff for the truly af..

Did one of your cohorts just bump the station hull outside my quarters?
I swear that loud bang was from one of them.


Have you ever considered gracefully accepting defeat? It works, you know. Smile

No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff
NEONOVUS
Mindstar Technology
Goonswarm Federation
#142 - 2012-11-19 01:27:24 UTC
Never surrender, never give up, Drill Baby Drill!
I have not yet begun to fight! In fact I have never fought at all!
Okay maybe just a little, and I helped kill a carrier.

But really why charge for a mining permit, much less add the other requirements to it?
Why not just bump now and bump until you grow bored since it now appears to be ok?
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#143 - 2012-11-19 02:17:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
NEONOVUS wrote:
Never surrender, never give up, Drill Baby Drill!
I have not yet begun to fight! In fact I have never fought at all!
Okay maybe just a little, and I helped kill a carrier.

But really why charge for a mining permit, much less add the other requirements to it?
Why not just bump now and bump until you grow bored since it now appears to be ok?


Bumping for the sake of bumping probably counts as a breach of the EULA, bumping in the hope of the bumped paying the bumper some ISK, to be left alone and in the process abide by the code, has a purpose and is the same as holding a ship or pod to ransom.

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Smiknight
Smiknight Corporation
#144 - 2012-11-19 03:24:05 UTC
CCP Falcon wrote:

So, I just spoke to the GM Team regarding this to get some clarification:

Firstly, people who are bumped always have the right to petition. It is the right of any player who feels that they want to petition an issue to do so.

However, with regards to the rules in EVE Online our current view is:

  • Bumping is not considered harassment.
  • Bumping is not considered griefing.
  • Bumping is not against the rules.


It's actually been used for a long time to prevent warping as a rudimentary form of tackling when you don't have a point, or don't have sufficient disruption strength to keep someone pinned.

Along with that, the people that are doing this for the best part are in player corporations. If you don't like what they're doing, declare war on them so that you can punish them, or pay a merc corp to do so on your behalf if you don't want to fight.

There are plenty of options to counter this, if you use your imagination. Smile



Interesting, because a friend of mine nearly scored a ban for it. I think someone deserves an apology for that.
A reward devoid of risk is no reward at all, but is instead a handout.
Nexus Day
Lustrevik Trade and Travel Bureau
#145 - 2012-11-19 03:33:28 UTC
I guess the New order thinks they have a monopoly on bumping. They don't.

For every New Order doing their "noble work" there are 10 copycats because it is kool.

For every AFK Mackinaw that gets bumped there are 10 non AFK Wreathes with Gaussian mining lasers getting bumped in a starter zone.

And people pay a fee for what? So that they can AFK mine? So now you are protecting the behaviour that bumping was supposed to disparage?

My only point is none of this makes sense. What would make sense is if you bump me, using what CCP admits is a combat maneuver, you are now flagged and I have the opportunity to return the aggression in kind.

I mine once a month if that. But I have the bit between my teeth on this because I have a low tolerance for stupid.
NEONOVUS
Mindstar Technology
Goonswarm Federation
#146 - 2012-11-19 03:36:46 UTC
I do like the idea of bumping triggering combat.
Set it so you do not solidify until you have exited the station bubble and thus there will be no fireworks heralding exits.
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#147 - 2012-11-19 03:38:56 UTC
Nexus Day wrote:
I guess the New order thinks they have a monopoly on bumping. They don't.

For every New Order doing their "noble work" there are 10 copycats because it is kool.

For every AFK Mackinaw that gets bumped there are 10 non AFK Wreathes with Gaussian mining lasers getting bumped in a starter zone.

And people pay a fee for what? So that they can AFK mine? So now you are protecting the behaviour that bumping was supposed to disparage?

My only point is none of this makes sense. What would make sense is if you bump me, using what CCP admits is a combat maneuver, you are now flagged and I have the opportunity to return the aggression in kind.

I mine once a month if that. But I have the bit between my teeth on this because I have a low tolerance for stupid.



Thanks for being brave enough to type this.

Bumping and taking ISK to stop it, instead of reporting bad behavior (bots and AFK), should have consequences.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#148 - 2012-11-19 03:40:07 UTC
NEONOVUS wrote:
I do like the idea of bumping triggering combat.
Set it so you do not solidify until you have exited the station bubble and thus there will be no fireworks heralding exits.



If the New Order complains about this, they are not true to their playstyle.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
James 315
Experimental Fun Times Corp RELOADED
CODE.
#149 - 2012-11-19 03:47:14 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Thanks for being brave enough to type this.

Bumping and taking ISK to stop it, instead of reporting bad behavior (bots and AFK), should have consequences.

It does have consequences. Good consequences, for a good act. It's called karma.

Nexus Day wrote:
But I have the bit between my teeth on this because I have a low tolerance for stupid.

You don't give yourself nearly enough credit.

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Adriel Malakai
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#150 - 2012-11-19 03:51:29 UTC
NEONOVUS wrote:
I do like the idea of bumping triggering combat.
Set it so you do not solidify until you have exited the station bubble and thus there will be no fireworks heralding exits.


As someone who griefs the **** out of people on a regular basis because it's fun, funny, and profitable, I cannot express how much I want something like this implemented. You have no idea how incredibly easy this would be to manipulate and exploit in order to kill tons of dumbasses, such as yourself.
NEONOVUS
Mindstar Technology
Goonswarm Federation
#151 - 2012-11-19 04:02:21 UTC
Adriel Malakai wrote:
NEONOVUS wrote:
I do like the idea of bumping triggering combat.
Set it so you do not solidify until you have exited the station bubble and thus there will be no fireworks heralding exits.


As someone who griefs the **** out of people on a regular basis because it's fun, funny, and profitable, I cannot express how much I want something like this implemented. You have no idea how incredibly easy this would be to manipulate and exploit in order to kill tons of dumbasses, such as yourself.

Oh no you can come kill me in lowsec plenty of times.
Besides when dec 4th hits, I am never turning that safety off.
Wouldnt be a true carebear if I did.
Souisa
Subhypersonics
#152 - 2012-11-19 04:06:23 UTC
Miner bumping is such a carebear activity

o/
Anslo
Scope Works
#153 - 2012-11-19 04:10:55 UTC
CCP won't help. Miners, it's time to trade the Strip Miners for a full rack of Neutrons.

You don't like it? Kill them, kill all of them, and teach them not to mess with you.

Fight for your rights.

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Adriel Malakai
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#154 - 2012-11-19 04:15:51 UTC
Anslo wrote:
CCP won't help. Miners, it's time to trade the Strip Miners for a full rack of Neutrons.

You don't like it? Kill them, kill all of them, and teach them not to mess with you.

Fight for your rights.



I don't think you realize how happy this would make me. So many free kills from so many terrible players.
Adriel Malakai
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#155 - 2012-11-19 04:18:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Adriel Malakai
NEONOVUS wrote:
Oh no you can come kill me in lowsec plenty of times.
Besides when dec 4th hits, I am never turning that safety off.
Wouldnt be a true carebear if I did.


You do realize that if bumping were made an aggressive action, it would (most likely) be easy to game such that the miner was the one who got flagged for bumping the gank ship, which would promptly destroy the mining vessle, right? For example, I bump a miner with an alt into my main's ship. Since CCP wants to avoid individual aggression flags (as per the new crimewatch) both the alt and miner would end up receiving a 'bumping suspect flag'. The alt for bumping the miner, and the miner for bumping me. Can you guess which one gets shot?

EDIT: Sorry for double post Oops
Powers Sa
#156 - 2012-11-19 05:54:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Powers Sa
CCP Falcon wrote:

So, I just spoke to the GM Team regarding this to get some clarification:

Firstly, people who are bumped always have the right to petition. It is the right of any player who feels that they want to petition an issue to do so.

However, with regards to the rules in EVE Online our current view is:

  • Bumping is not considered harassment.
  • Bumping is not considered griefing.
  • Bumping is not against the rules.


It's actually been used for a long time to prevent warping as a rudimentary form of tackling when you don't have a point, or don't have sufficient disruption strength to keep someone pinned.

Along with that, the people that are doing this for the best part are in player corporations. If you don't like what they're doing, declare war on them so that you can punish them, or pay a merc corp to do so on your behalf if you don't want to fight.

There are plenty of options to counter this, if you use your imagination. Smile



How much trouble are my alliance mates going to be in?
Quote:

5:22:01] NeoShocker > I'm jjust telling you.
[05:34:53] WARisHELL Rinah > this is fun :)
[05:42:23] WARisHELL Rinah > we're pettioning yoiu for player harrasment
[05:42:34] WARisHELL Rinah > all of you
[05:42:38] cbkilla > my ****, petition that
[05:42:39] Cursed Matriarch > why u no bounce me too?
[05:43:14] OmarIncursion > wait your petioning people for harassing you while you where in the act of harassing other people?
[05:43:26] WARisHELL Rinah > if you kill it it's not harrasment
[05:43:28] WARisHELL Rinah > due
[05:43:31] WARisHELL Rinah > duh
[05:44:23] WARisHELL Rinah > if yoiu take 3 hrs to bump it off grip it is
[05:44:24] WARisHELL Rinah > ha
[05:44:30] WARisHELL Rinah > get ready to be banned
[05:49:08] WARisHELL Rinah > should be hearing from ccp any min
[05:50:17] eC Cade > i love fresh salty tears
[05:50:23] eC Cade > this one time, I had a sea urchin
[05:50:26] eC Cade > live
[05:50:30] eC Cade > it was not nearly as good
[05:50:52] Darktgrfury > Yuck
[05:51:05] Darktgrfury > smells like unemployed losers in here
[05:51:09] Darktgrfury > ahh, goons are here
[05:51:10] Darktgrfury > nm
[05:51:32] OmarIncursion > https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2188751#post2188751
[05:51:45] OmarIncursion > read it noob.. learn it.. apply it
[05:51:47] OmarIncursion > keep crying though
[05:51:57] OmarIncursion > i need more tears to finish this fap
[05:52:38] superNuts > you damn kids are tearing up the place
[05:52:50] WARisHELL Rinah > it's gonna be fun when we win
[05:53:13] cbkilla > what are you winning exactly?
[05:53:17] WARisHELL Rinah > eve
[05:53:18] Claire Syerik > the war of hubris
[05:53:30] OmarIncursion > Brick.. winning at failing
[05:54:14] WARisHELL Rinah > keep the reps up guards
[05:55:10] Trustworthicon > Keep up the reps guys!
[05:57:09] Trustworthicon > ENGAGE THE REP DEVICE
[05:57:31] Mae Alexandra Midkiff > xD OMG gewns ftw
[05:57:32] Clockcatcher Cosmogramma > gf
[05:57:34] cbkilla > fofofofofofofofofofofo
[05:57:38] OmarIncursion > BAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA
[05:57:41] Claire Syerik > fofofofofofofo

Freighter they bumped and ganked: http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=15247853
We thought it would be funny to bump and gank them as well, so their freighter: http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=15247982
They were ofcourse bumping: http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=15247983

They were especially mad:
Quote:

[06:01:35] WARisHELL Rinah > we're gonna war dec you so you cant do this anymore


Please don't ban us.

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Some Rando
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#157 - 2012-11-19 05:58:27 UTC
Anslo wrote:
Fight for your rights.

Clicked expecting kill mail, left disappointed.

CCP has no sense of humour.
Nexus Day
Lustrevik Trade and Travel Bureau
#158 - 2012-11-19 06:02:31 UTC
BTW, maybe CCP wants to run over to EvEopedia where Miner Bumping is listed under Griefing.
Nexus Day
Lustrevik Trade and Travel Bureau
#159 - 2012-11-19 06:05:49 UTC
Adriel Malakai wrote:
NEONOVUS wrote:
Oh no you can come kill me in lowsec plenty of times.
Besides when dec 4th hits, I am never turning that safety off.
Wouldnt be a true carebear if I did.


You do realize that if bumping were made an aggressive action, it would (most likely) be easy to game such that the miner was the one who got flagged for bumping the gank ship, which would promptly destroy the mining vessle, right? For example, I bump a miner with an alt into my main's ship. Since CCP wants to avoid individual aggression flags (as per the new crimewatch) both the alt and miner would end up receiving a 'bumping suspect flag'. The alt for bumping the miner, and the miner for bumping me. Can you guess which one gets shot?

EDIT: Sorry for double post Oops

You know it would be pretty easy to program around that, right?

And allowing individual aggression flags for bumping would also allow people to fully utilize the new bounty system by selling kill rights.

So it sounds like a winner to me.
Preceptor Stigmartyr
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#160 - 2012-11-19 06:07:38 UTC
Quote:

5:22:01] NeoShocker > I'm jjust telling you.
[05:34:53] WARisHELL Rinah > this is fun :)
[05:42:23] WARisHELL Rinah > we're pettioning yoiu for player harrasment
[05:42:34] WARisHELL Rinah > all of you
[05:42:38] cbkilla > my ****, petition that
[05:42:39] Cursed Matriarch > why u no bounce me too?
[05:43:14] OmarIncursion > wait your petioning people for harassing you while you where in the act of harassing other people?
[05:43:26] WARisHELL Rinah > if you kill it it's not harrasment
[05:43:28] WARisHELL Rinah > due
[05:43:31] WARisHELL Rinah > duh
[05:44:23] WARisHELL Rinah > if yoiu take 3 hrs to bump it off [grid] it is
[05:44:24] WARisHELL Rinah > ha
[05:44:30] WARisHELL Rinah > get ready to be banned
[05:49:08] WARisHELL Rinah > should be hearing from ccp any min


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