EVE General Discussion

Fun fact:

When you point someone with a module in hi-sec you blow up.

When you "point" someone with a bump, you don't.

Now I am fine with bumping ships in hi-sec and I think CCPs general stance on not considering it griefing is fine.

However, when CCP Falcon starts blurring the picture by using the "point" argument it is opening a can of worms. There is no game mechanic in 0.0 or low-sec that spawns CONCORD if you point someone with a module, thus, nothing is being circumvented.

That is not the case in hi-sec tho. So while bumping someone out of range of an asteroid field would seem perfectly within the rules of the game, using it to "point" someone instead of using a module, is not.

That's my issue, CCP Falcon is taking a general response by the GM team that came from the "miner bumping" issue and widening its application by talking about "cheap mans point" and even brings in the war mechanics as an argument, allowing everybody to latch onto it and use it as a catch-all for every scenario involving bumping.

No talk about how people who use this to "point" people in hi-sec should use the war mechanic and declare war on their target, so they can point them.

Do I think they should change bumping? No, it's a valid mechanic to achieve certain things.

Do I think they should look at the scenarios were it is being used to circumvent game mechanics, like the need to declare war on your target so you can point them without CONCORD interference, or being able to "point" a neutral in hi-sec without getting concordokken? Yes.

I used to bump miners for lols.

Wish I had thought of asking for isk to stop.

Bumping freighters is the new thing to do ladies and gentlemen! Though my guess would be that it will be hard to get ISK from auto-piloting AFK freighter pilots.

Put a scanner on and get them to pay 10%+ of what they carry pending on the amount of traffic the system gets.

You could.

You simply make ship bumping do nothing unless the target is locked, then you make it an aggressive act which attracts the appropriate crimewatch status.

Bumping as a combat maneuver is untouched (who fights unlocked...?). Deliberate bumping is valid as a tactic, only it then it would have a decent consequence.

And Jita 4-4 undock stays just fine.

Then, per my post - no bump occurs. Disable the ship collision unless there's a lock had by either party.

It means people using it as a 'poor mans point' are unaffected (since presumably there's a lock for the weapons here) and people extorting with it are liable for aggression mechanics.

The only 'problem' with bumping is it doesnt flag aggression as it ideally should and solutions are difficult. The idea I suggested here mitigates most problems on all sides that I can think of - legitimate combat use, undock issues & target baiting.

Happy to be corrected.

Noted, and considered...

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I believe at this point, the topic has run its course. Too many posts are little more than people insulting one another and trolling, with little in the way of constructive content.

I am therefore locking this thread which bears my name in vain.