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CCP Eterne Deals Blow to New Order Resistance

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Tendra Rockbuster
Agentes in rebus
#101 - 2012-11-18 08:28:02 UTC
The overview thing was just to illustrate that I'm not saying I would never get bumped away from a roid...I'd likely not notice a bumper first until I saw my targeted roid go whizzing away (does getting bumped make things go whizzing away? or is it more like slowboating with your engines off?)
Darth Gustav
Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting
#102 - 2012-11-18 08:32:51 UTC
Tendra Rockbuster wrote:
The overview thing was just to illustrate that I'm not saying I would never get bumped away from a roid...I'd likely not notice a bumper first until I saw my targeted roid go whizzing away (does getting bumped make things go whizzing away? or is it more like slowboating with your engines off?)

Fair enough but I really try to be helpful.

I hope the suggestion helps you in the future to have more situational awareness during mining ops.

You may need it someday. Evil

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Kainotomiu Ronuken
koahisquad
#103 - 2012-11-18 08:33:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Kainotomiu Ronuken
Tendra Rockbuster wrote:
The overview thing was just to illustrate that I'm not saying I would never get bumped away from a roid...I'd likely not notice a bumper first until I saw my targeted roid go whizzing away (does getting bumped make things go whizzing away? or is it more like slowboating with your engines off?)

If properly bumped you'll reach speeds of ~2km/s and decelerate pretty quickly, coming to a complete stop after maybe 15km. If the bumper is overloaded, you can reach up to ~4km/s and travel around 30km.
Guttripper
State War Academy
Caldari State
#104 - 2012-11-18 09:30:57 UTC
Back in the day when players used to bump the star gates so nobody could activate them, CCP made them nearly inmovable by increasing their mass using the nearby planet as part of the lore for the weight increase. Time for fat miners?
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#105 - 2012-11-18 12:34:49 UTC
Tendra Rockbuster wrote:
I don't get it....some misanthrope shows up in my belt while I am shooting at rocks. i probably don't notice him at first because I have an overview full of 20-50KM of rocks, and would probably initially assume he is another miner until he collides with me. At this point, I would probably go back into range of my rock, and if he did it again, I'd ask him to stop. If I got the whole New Order drivel, I'd probably Roll and probably spend some time to dodge the guy.

I most certainly wouldn't pay someone else for a privilege I already have. Now, this may be more simple because I am already sitting there at my keyboard, but what doesn't make sense to me is if I were afk, I wouldn't be there to have a demand of isk placed on me, I'd be afk. bump me all you want if I'm afk...I don't care, I'm not there trying to do anything. It would take me a few seconds to figure out where I am when I got back, and then I'd find the nearest rock and slowboat to it or boomerang to it. Not much of a hassle, imo.

(note, I don't mine ice, so that may have something to do with it)


You're unlikely to get bumped by New Order agents if you're mining ore, current operations are centred around ice belts, although that's subject to change without notice.

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Pohbis
Neo T.E.C.H.
#106 - 2012-11-18 13:47:31 UTC
CCP Falcon wrote:
It's actually been used for a long time to prevent warping as a rudimentary form of tackling when you don't have a point, or don't have sufficient disruption strength to keep someone pinned.
Fine in 0.0 and low-sec, but in hi-sec it is circumventing CONCORD blowing you up when you "point" someone like this.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#107 - 2012-11-18 14:16:36 UTC
Pohbis wrote:
CCP Falcon wrote:
It's actually been used for a long time to prevent warping as a rudimentary form of tackling when you don't have a point, or don't have sufficient disruption strength to keep someone pinned.
Fine in 0.0 and low-sec, but in hi-sec it is circumventing CONCORD blowing you up when you "point" someone like this.



Fun fact: no it isn't

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Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
#108 - 2012-11-18 14:29:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Khergit Deserters
Arduemont wrote:
Galaxy Pig wrote:

Reason prevails! Delusion fails!


I think you'll find quite the opposite has happened.

James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Arduemont wrote:
Logic failed me the moment I clicked on the topic title with "New Order" in it.

Nobody's forcing you to read these threads is the point.


You just quoted a line of my saying that my logic failed when I decided to read a thread I didn't want to read, and then proceeded to use it as evidence of what I just said. I fail to see why you bothered to post at all.

It's true. In the end, any bumping - anti-bumping thread ends eventually ends up as a logical bowl of spaghetti. Ever read the Knave of Hearts' trial in Alice in Wonderland? Kind of like that.
CCP Falcon
#109 - 2012-11-18 15:10:26 UTC

Okay, this thread has gone way off topic, way back on topic again, then off again.

I left it open so that people had a place to discuss the bumping mechanic.

It's being locked because clearly this is a discussion that's losing focus. The GM's position regarding bumping has been made clear, so there's no more need for any other threads regarding this.

Further threads created will be treated as spam, and dealt with as such. I'll have ISD clean this one up and re-open it once they're happy with it.

Do not create more threads on this subject.

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ISD Suvetar
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#110 - 2012-11-18 19:25:22 UTC
Hi,

This thread has had a severe pruning at the request of CCP.

I urge everyone to take heed of CCP Falcon's post, above mine.

Thanks.

[b]ISD Suvetar Captain/Commando Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department[/b]
Galaxy Pig
New Order Logistics
CODE.
#111 - 2012-11-18 19:43:00 UTC
o7 Noble volunteer.

Highsec is owned by players now. Systems 0.5-1.0 are New Order Territory. All miners and other residents of Highsec must obey The Code. Mining without a permit is dangerous and harmful to the EVE community. See www.MinerBumping.com
Tubrug1
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#112 - 2012-11-18 19:48:40 UTC
admiral root
Red Galaxy
#113 - 2012-11-18 20:05:23 UTC
I'm online now if you want to purchase your mining indulgance.

No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff
Melvin Coulter
Abyssal Freighting
High Bear Nation.
#114 - 2012-11-18 20:07:51 UTC
I am also online if any miners need a safe haven to mine at

Move along!
Kainotomiu Ronuken
koahisquad
#115 - 2012-11-18 20:09:12 UTC
Melvin Coulter wrote:
I am also online if any miners need a safe haven to mine at

Just out of interest, how are you providing a safe haven?
Melvin Coulter
Abyssal Freighting
High Bear Nation.
#116 - 2012-11-18 20:13:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Melvin Coulter
far away from the new order

Why are we still on this topic i believe everything has been said that needs to be said?

By topic i mean the this forum cant we just lock this page and go on?

Move along!
Nexus Day
Lustrevik Trade and Travel Bureau
#117 - 2012-11-18 20:36:36 UTC
So New Order disparages non-risk taking isk making by making isk without risk taking.

And they are selling mining rights in hi-sec, which is supposedly part of a sovreign nation.

They target systems with NPC corps and new players calling them a threat to the game.

And CCP tells people to deal with it without providing a legitimate means for the players being victimized to deal with it.

And they pretend like it is one entity instead of hundreds of "fanbois" that are undertaking this activity.

Wow, this is the intelligent, gritty game I thought I was joining.
Melvin Coulter
Abyssal Freighting
High Bear Nation.
#118 - 2012-11-18 20:39:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Melvin Coulter
Nexus Day wrote:
So New Order disparages non-risk taking isk making by making isk without risk taking.

And they are selling mining rights in hi-sec, which is supposedly part of a sovreign nation.

They target systems with NPC corps and new players calling them a threat to the game.

And CCP tells people to deal with it without providing a legitimate means for the players being victimized to deal with it.

And they pretend like it is one entity instead of hundreds of "fanbois" that are undertaking this activity.

Wow, this is the intelligent, gritty game I thought I was joining.


um...

yeah that about sums it up

if you're leaving can i has your stuff?

But in all realty i honestly starting to get headache from laughing

Move along!
Nanatoa
#119 - 2012-11-18 20:40:07 UTC
Nexus Day wrote:
the intelligent, gritty game I thought I was joining.


That's where you went wrong. EVE is not a "intelligent, gritty game", it is a "cold, dark and harsh world" (as once described by CCP Wrangler).

"Stay the course, we have done this many times before." - (CCP) Hilmar, June 2011
admiral root
Red Galaxy
#120 - 2012-11-18 20:41:17 UTC
Nexus Day wrote:
Stuff.


Any chance you could re-write that in a manner that makes it readable? TIA.

No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff