Player Features and Ideas Discussion

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It has come to my attention that I quoted deleted posts.

His character has been playing since August - it's possible he just doesn't have a full understanding of the game, or it's possible hat Kenneth is just an alt. If it's the former - there's nothing wrong with that, but pretending you know better than people who have been doing it for years is... a little arrogant.

Every prior attempt to do so has met with your trolling ridicule. See prior pages for all valid arguments.

I don't think you do know what you're talking about, and I think you're relying on poor sources of information that also don't know what they're talking about. You want to learn something? Learn from one of the best:

"For some time, ganking in 0.0 has just not been worth the effort: it's hard as all hell and you usually can't find anyone to gank. As a result there are frequent calls to make ganking easier — generally by nerfing local. That approach is misguided. Predators don’t tend to die off because they’re not good enough at killing their prey. They tend to die off when all the prey has been killed or driven off, starving to death because they are too good. When you’ve fished out the cod in Cape Cod so effectively the nets are coming up dry every summer the solution isn’t to get better nets: it’s to stop devouring every single fish before they can recover their numbers. Likewise, when you introduce an apex predator into a new enviroment and it quickly butchers everything in sight except the mice, the key to keeping it hunting isn't giving it the ability to catch mice."

"The problem with small-gang ganking (small gangs looking for random people to shoot rather than looking for honourable fair fights, i.e. every single player in EVE) and 0.0 ganking — the problem isn’t local. Local is one of the few things actually keeping anyone sitting around in 0.0 waiting to get ganked. It’s that the incentive to sit in a belt mining or ratting is so low that there’s so few people to gank. Take empire, for example: if I pilot my ganking crew into an ice belt and start ganking away, people can — if they’ve got half a brain — keep themselves perfectly safe. But there are so many people that I can easily gorge myself on the idiots. It’s clear this model works: in VFK, there’s always enough idiots packed into the system that someone will fall into your drag bubble between the jump bridge and the station no matter how many times it’s reported in intel channels and no matter how easily you can be seen in local."

You want to read more about why local's not the problem? Read the rest here.

I've never read a game guide that hasn't left something out, or missed the point completely. Guides are no way to learn a game, and I never touch them anymore. Guides are for referencing game info, such as what sort of resists to tank for against what npc faction, or what kind of mins a certain kind of ore will yield, but never for learning how to play the game.

As soon as you start playing a game by a guide, you'll lose yourself in a rut so deep that you'll never be able to adapt to difficult situations that the guide may simply not cover. And in a game like EVE, you'll get a lot of those.

Local doesn't reveal any plans, it only shows who's in the system. What it should or should not be used for is irrelevant - the bottom line is it's there, it's part of the mechanics, therefore it's not an exploit. Everyone in the system has access to it, therefore they know you're around just the same moment as you know they're around - it's only afkers and the inexperienced that won't know what to do with it, and the inexperienced will learn the hard way. The afkers can just burn.

That's not a guide. That's reference resources... spreadsheets. Guides break everything down and explains why you do certain things and how to do them. I'm seriously not trying to be rude here so forgive me if it comes off as such.

How does it drive conflict? Wouldn't it be best to use a separate channel for intel? Sorry, if I'm still hung up on this. I'm not getting the idea of spreading intel in local... unless it's bad intel. Like disinformation for the enemy. That would make sense to me.

You forgot to say all goons and hbcs should be banned for the forums.

Scroll back up the page to this post. Read the article I linked there for you - if you read it, it will answer these questions.

Local doesn't provide intel via its chat function, it provides intel via the fact that it shows you who is in chat, and therefore who is in system. If I'm mining Jaspet solo in the Seyllin system, for example, and I see someone appear in local, I'll check their sec status and leave if it's below 1, but if it's above I'll align to the nearest gate just in case.