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Darth Gustav
Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting
#21 - 2012-11-16 21:59:34 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP Falcon
Removed Trolling - CCP Falcon

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Darth Gustav
Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting
#22 - 2012-11-16 22:05:34 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP Falcon
Quote Of Trolling Removed - CCP Falcon

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CCP Falcon
#23 - 2012-11-16 22:06:41 UTC
Alright, I've removed a couple of troll posts from here.

Keep the language and posting civil if you want this thread to stay open, or we'll have problems.

Smile

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Murk Paradox
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#24 - 2012-11-16 22:11:11 UTC
What people need to relaize and take from this, is that if you do NOT care, then clearly it doesn't apply to you.

If it doesn't apply to you, mind your damned business.

=)

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Kenneth O'Hara
Sebiestor Tribe
#25 - 2012-11-16 23:28:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Kenneth O'Hara
Miner Bumping: The Movie

The story of a lone... erm, two miner's struggle against an army of 80 alt bumpers controlled by 30 players. The plot thickens when the Gods of EVE declare bumping a legitimate strategy, which everybody already knew. So not really a thickening plot but a very compelling melodramatic story. well, maybe not melodramatic but definitely dramatic. There will be butthurt!!!

"Two thumbs up!" ~Kenneth O'Hara

Most likely not coming to a belt near you.

Edit: Made corrections as the guy below me stated. Just following orders! o7

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Kainotomiu Ronuken
koahisquad
#26 - 2012-11-16 23:35:30 UTC
Kenneth O'Hara wrote:
Miner Bumping: The Movie

The story of a lone miner's struggle against one guys army of alt bumpers. The plot thickens when the God's of EVE declare bumping a legitimate strategy.

"Two thumbs up!" ~Kenneth O'Hara

Coming to a belt near you.

...what? So much wrong with this.


  • "a lone miner's struggle" There's actually two: Anslo and Khergit Deserters.
  • "one guy's army of alt bumpers" Yeah, 'cause James has around 90 alts with 30 or so online and interacting at once.
  • "The plot thickens" No it doesn't. We all knew that bumping was a legitimate strategy.
  • "when the God's of EVE" Should have capitalised 'Gods' or put an apostrophe in there.
  • "Coming to a belt near you" I bet you anything it doesn't.
Kenneth O'Hara
Sebiestor Tribe
#27 - 2012-11-16 23:45:00 UTC
Kainotomiu Ronuken wrote:
Kenneth O'Hara wrote:
Miner Bumping: The Movie

The story of a lone miner's struggle against one guys army of alt bumpers. The plot thickens when the God's of EVE declare bumping a legitimate strategy.

"Two thumbs up!" ~Kenneth O'Hara

Coming to a belt near you.

...what? So much wrong with this.


  • "a lone miner's struggle" There's actually two: Anslo and Khergit Deserters.
  • "one guy's army of alt bumpers" Yeah, 'cause James has around 90 alts with 30 or so online and interacting at once.
  • "The plot thickens" No it doesn't. We all knew that bumping was a legitimate strategy.
  • "when the God's of EVE" Should have capitalised 'Gods' or put an apostrophe in there.
  • "Coming to a belt near you" I bet you anything it doesn't.

Good day to you kind sir. Thank you for your superb understanding of my post as I have no clue to it's purpose. Where would I be without you here to point out all the flaws in my post? Please, follow all my post and correct them as I am sure to make mistakes.

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Arsedestroyer
Doomheim
#28 - 2012-11-17 00:26:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Arsedestroyer
There have been cases where bumping freighters to prevent them from warping for hours and hours were considered harrassment.

Good to know it's not the case anymore :).
NEONOVUS
Mindstar Technology
Goonswarm Federation
#29 - 2012-11-17 01:37:13 UTC
CCP Falcon wrote:

So, I just spoke to the GM Team regarding this to get some clarification:

Firstly, people who are bumped always have the right to petition. It is the right of any player who feels that they want to petition an issue to do so.

However, with regards to the rules in EVE Online our current view is:

  • Bumping is not considered harassment.
  • Bumping is not considered griefing.
  • Bumping is not against the rules.


It's actually been used for a long time to prevent warping as a rudimentary form of tackling when you don't have a point, or don't have sufficient disruption strength to keep someone pinned.

Along with that, the people that are doing this for the best part are in player corporations. If you don't like what they're doing, declare war on them so that you can punish them, or pay a merc corp to do so on your behalf if you don't want to fight.

There are plenty of options to counter this, if you use your imagination. Smile


Just to be clear, if they continue to stock you across several systems, and continue to bump you until you buy a permit, that is/not harassment?
Darth Gustav
Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting
#30 - 2012-11-17 01:43:26 UTC
NEONOVUS wrote:
CCP Falcon wrote:

So, I just spoke to the GM Team regarding this to get some clarification:

Firstly, people who are bumped always have the right to petition. It is the right of any player who feels that they want to petition an issue to do so.

However, with regards to the rules in EVE Online our current view is:

  • Bumping is not considered harassment.
  • Bumping is not considered griefing.
  • Bumping is not against the rules.


It's actually been used for a long time to prevent warping as a rudimentary form of tackling when you don't have a point, or don't have sufficient disruption strength to keep someone pinned.

Along with that, the people that are doing this for the best part are in player corporations. If you don't like what they're doing, declare war on them so that you can punish them, or pay a merc corp to do so on your behalf if you don't want to fight.

There are plenty of options to counter this, if you use your imagination. Smile


Just to be clear, if they continue to stock you across several systems, and continue to bump you until you buy a permit, that is/not harassment?

As has been indicated already, you are free to file a petition in every case.

Where this is not petitionable, however, a response will not be favorable to you.

In truth, even when favorable to you, there won't be any feedback regarding punitive actions.

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Galaxy Pig
New Order Logistics
CODE.
#31 - 2012-11-17 01:47:18 UTC
As. Long. As. They. Ask. For. Money. It. Is. ALLOWED.

Highsec is owned by players now. Systems 0.5-1.0 are New Order Territory. All miners and other residents of Highsec must obey The Code. Mining without a permit is dangerous and harmful to the EVE community. See www.MinerBumping.com
Lance Rossiter
CHAINS Corp
#32 - 2012-11-17 03:03:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Lance Rossiter
A blow to the current New Order resistance, perhaps...

...but think big!

This is a green light not just to New Order miner-extortion bumping, but to all potential miner extortion bumping. It seems to have proven lucrative for you guys - how long 'til another set of miner bumpers decides to get in on the action, now that it's expressly permissable?

The New Order has even be kind enough to get all the miners who have proven their willingness to concede to extortion to put a handy little tag on their bios, so if a second wave of bumpers does decide to set up shop they'll know exactly who to target first for the most likely pay-offs.

Will the real "resistance" end up coming not from miners, but from rival bumpers?

Pay 20 million or risk bump, for a bio permit stating that James 315 controls nothing but a tiny stabber?

Not that I would ever advocate such a thing, of course!
Melvin Coulter
Abyssal Freighting
High Bear Nation.
#33 - 2012-11-17 03:41:28 UTC
I wonder how long James 315 will last after dec 4th

he has a ok bounty...

nothing big but something am sure someone would love to add to his/her's wallet.

Move along!
Darth Gustav
Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting
#34 - 2012-11-17 03:42:18 UTC
Melvin Coulter wrote:
I wonder how long James 315 will last after dec 4th

he has a ok bounty...

nothing big but something am sure someone would love to add to his/her's wallet.

Current bounties expire with the new patch.

Vaporware.

He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom
Galaxy Pig
New Order Logistics
CODE.
#35 - 2012-11-17 03:42:27 UTC
Lance Rossiter wrote:
A blow to the current New Order resistance, perhaps...

...but think big!

This is a green light not just to New Order miner-extortion bumping, but to all potential miner extortion bumping. It seems to have proven lucrative for you guys - how long 'til another set of miner bumpers decides to get in on the action, now that it's expressly permissable?

The New Order has even be kind enough to get all the miners who have proven their willingness to concede to extortion to put a handy little tag on their bios, so if a second wave of bumpers does decide to set up shop they'll know exactly who to target first for the most likely pay-offs.

Will the real "resistance" end up coming not from miners, but from rival bumpers?

Pay 20 million or risk bump, for a bio permit stating that James 315 controls nothing but a tiny stabber?

Not that I would ever advocate such a thing, of course!


The conflict that would arise between the two orders would make James 315 responsible for A-WHOLE-NOTHER layer of emergent gameplay. Mind blown.

Highsec is owned by players now. Systems 0.5-1.0 are New Order Territory. All miners and other residents of Highsec must obey The Code. Mining without a permit is dangerous and harmful to the EVE community. See www.MinerBumping.com
Dessau
The Scope
#36 - 2012-11-17 03:48:36 UTC
Anslo wrote:
Perhaps you should read our call-to-arms in the Manifesto on how we will deal with this Smile

Well, well, well. Emergent gameplay. In my EVE.

My eyes are getting misty.
Nathalie LaPorte
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#37 - 2012-11-17 05:01:56 UTC
Lance Rossiter wrote:
A blow to the current New Order resistance, perhaps...

...but think big!

This is a green light not just to New Order miner-extortion bumping, but to all potential miner extortion bumping. It seems to have proven lucrative for you guys - how long 'til another set of miner bumpers decides to get in on the action, now that it's expressly permissable?

The New Order has even be kind enough to get all the miners who have proven their willingness to concede to extortion to put a handy little tag on their bios, so if a second wave of bumpers does decide to set up shop they'll know exactly who to target first for the most likely pay-offs.

Will the real "resistance" end up coming not from miners, but from rival bumpers?

Pay 20 million or risk bump, for a bio permit stating that James 315 controls nothing but a tiny stabber?

Not that I would ever advocate such a thing, of course!


A. Agents don't bump because it's more lucrative than incursions or nullsec sites--it's not. They bump because they are heroes fighting for the greater good of EVE, against the botters and bot-aspirants. Your idea has been tried by multiple groups inspired by isk-greed instead of the pure truth of James315. Those groups have all failed miserably, broken apart incredibly quickly by a rot from within.

B. Even if a second group were able to sustain itself, by tapping into something greater than ISK-greed...how would that be bad for the New Order? There could never be another savior of Highsec...but perhaps there could be a John the Baptist of highsec. That would be bad for the botters and bot-aspirants, who were now facing two inspired groups fighting for the good of all. Your scenario is thoughtless and shameful.
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#38 - 2012-11-17 07:43:53 UTC
Arduemont wrote:
Literally no one in game has ever heard of you people. No one cares about your not so new world order rubbish. We don't want to hear what you want us to hear about it, because no one cares.


This is all incorrect information. Are you a miner by chance?


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Kainotomiu Ronuken
koahisquad
#39 - 2012-11-17 09:53:53 UTC
Melvin Coulter wrote:
I wonder how long James 315 will last after dec 4th

he has a ok bounty...

nothing big but something am sure someone would love to add to his/her's wallet.

Right now, James has had a bounty of ~100,000,000 ISK for more than a year, iirc. Killing him now will net that 100,000,000 ISK for you. After December 4th, he'll have a bounty of 0 ISK. Even if someone puts another 100,000,000 ISK on his head after Retribution, that'll only payout at 20% of shipcost at a time.

Since James flies a Stabber Fleet Issue, his ship is worth ~75,000,000 ISK. That means that the bounty payout would be 14,000,000 ISK per kill. So he's actually in a lot more danger now than he will be after Retribution.

All this, of course, is ignoring the fact that James is invincible anyway and therefore his bounty cannot be collected.
Kenneth O'Hara
Sebiestor Tribe
#40 - 2012-11-17 10:26:34 UTC
Kainotomiu Ronuken wrote:
Melvin Coulter wrote:
I wonder how long James 315 will last after dec 4th

he has a ok bounty...

nothing big but something am sure someone would love to add to his/her's wallet.

Right now, James has had a bounty of ~100,000,000 ISK for more than a year, iirc. Killing him now will net that 100,000,000 ISK for you. After December 4th, he'll have a bounty of 0 ISK. Even if someone puts another 100,000,000 ISK on his head after Retribution, that'll only payout at 20% of shipcost at a time.

Since James flies a Stabber Fleet Issue, his ship is worth ~75,000,000 ISK. That means that the bounty payout would be 14,000,000 ISK per kill. So he's actually in a lot more danger now than he will be after Retribution.

All this, of course, is ignoring the fact that James is invincible anyway and therefore his bounty cannot be collected.

Gee Wilikers!!!!! That's a lot of isk Pa!...*ponders on the above statement*
...wait, 100mil isk bounty for more than a year?! Ge pa, you really had me thinkin' that was a lot. You're such a kidder.

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