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i am disappointed in null sec people. (TL:DR talking about local chat.) read first post.

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Ra'Shyne Viper
Native Freshfood
#861 - 2012-11-17 00:02:30 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:

Yeah, except for the fact that scanning doesn't show cloaked ships.


They're cloaked ships, you're not suppose to know they're there in the first place. e.g Cloaked/Hidden/ NOT Visible

DUST 514 player

Ingame name: Vin Vicious
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#862 - 2012-11-17 00:05:34 UTC
Ra'Shyne Viper wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:

Yeah, except for the fact that scanning doesn't show cloaked ships.


They're cloaked ships, you're not suppose to know they're there in the first place. e.g Cloaked/Hidden/ NOT Visible

In other words, roaming gangs are all cloaked ships within a few days of local being removed, along with everyone else going to hisec or WHs proper instead.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Kenneth O'Hara
Sebiestor Tribe
#863 - 2012-11-17 00:10:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Kenneth O'Hara
I would like to take this opportunity to point out the obvious. Yeah, I already know there is going to be a lot of hate replies but oh well. I also said I was not sticking around. I lied. I just wanted to wait a see if someone with more experience than I would come along and post an intelligent thought for once. Ok on to the obvious!

This thread is now full of goonswarm trolls and are still the only ones defending local in nullsec. To those that are defending that are not a part of goonswarm, I believe you are corporate spies for goonswarm. If your not, prove it!

I vote a move to have this thread locked for ranting and redundancy of rants with no valid points all saying the same thing on both sides of the argument. Both side's points have been made here and there and duly noted I am sure.

I say all you goonswarm folks need to move out into W-space if you are that bored and hard pressed for money. Way more isk to be made in WHs than hisec and it's not as risky as you might think. You can literately go for days without seeing a soul unless your not keeping up with d-scans and staying in one spot for too long.

Edit: Special thanks to BoBoZoBo and Ra'Shyne Viper.

Bring Saede Riordan back!! Never Forget! _"__Operation Godzilla Smacks Zeus"  ~__Graygor _
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#864 - 2012-11-17 00:13:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Lord Zim
Kenneth O'Hara wrote:
I say all you goonswarm folks need to move out into W-space if you are that bored and hard pressed for money. Way more isk to be made in WHs than hisec and it's not as risky as you might think. You can literately go for days without seeing a soul unless your not keeping up with d-scans and staying in one spot for too long.

We're not bored, we're not hard pressed for money, we're doing just fine making isk in hisec, thanks for asking.

Also, why aren't you enjoying WHs, since it has the local you crave?

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Darth Gustav
Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting
#865 - 2012-11-17 00:13:17 UTC
Kenneth O'Hara wrote:
I would like to take this opportunity to point out the obvious. Yeah, I already know there is going to be a lot of hate replies but oh well. I also said I was not sticking around. I lied. I just wanted to wait a see if someone with more experience than I would come along and post an intelligent thought for once. Ok on to the obvious!

This thread is now full of goonswarm trolls and are still the only ones defending local in nullsec. To those that are defending that are not a part of goonswarm, I believe you are corporate spies for goonswarm. If your not, prove it!

I vote a move to have this thread locked for ranting and redundancy of rants with no valid points all saying the same thing on both sides of the argument. Both points have been made small points here there and duly noted I am sure.

I say all you goonswarm folks need to move out into W-space if you are that bored and hard pressed for money. Way more isk to be made in WHs than hisec and it's not as risky as you might think. You can literately go for days without seeing a soul unless your not keeping up with d-scans and staying in one spot for too long.

Edit: Special thanks to BoBoZoBo and Ra'Shyne Viper.

Follow your own advice and let others follow theirs.

Enjoy no local in WH's. We'll enjoy local in null.

He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom
Ra'Shyne Viper
Native Freshfood
#866 - 2012-11-17 00:16:02 UTC
Kenneth O'Hara wrote:


I say all you goonswarm folks need to move out into W-space if you are that bored and hard pressed for money. Way more isk to be made in WHs than hisec and it's not as risky as you might think. You can literately go for days without seeing a soul unless your not keeping up with d-scans and staying in one spot for too long. .


Goons dont need anymore isk, im 90% sure they're the richest alliance in eve, even after getting disbanded.

and the bolded is your answer why i personally dont go to WH

DUST 514 player

Ingame name: Vin Vicious
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#867 - 2012-11-17 00:17:15 UTC
Ra'Shyne Viper wrote:
Kenneth O'Hara wrote:


I say all you goonswarm folks need to move out into W-space if you are that bored and hard pressed for money. Way more isk to be made in WHs than hisec and it's not as risky as you might think. You can literately go for days without seeing a soul unless your not keeping up with d-scans and staying in one spot for too long. .


Goons dont need anymore isk, im 90% sure they're the richest alliance in eve, even after getting disbanded.

and the bolded is your answer why i personally dont go to WH

So how is removing local in null going to improve anything for you?

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Darth Gustav
Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting
#868 - 2012-11-17 00:20:15 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
Ra'Shyne Viper wrote:
Kenneth O'Hara wrote:


I say all you goonswarm folks need to move out into W-space if you are that bored and hard pressed for money. Way more isk to be made in WHs than hisec and it's not as risky as you might think. You can literately go for days without seeing a soul unless your not keeping up with d-scans and staying in one spot for too long. .


Goons dont need anymore isk, im 90% sure they're the richest alliance in eve, even after getting disbanded.

and the bolded is your answer why i personally dont go to WH

So how is removing local in null going to improve anything for you?

Not only that but if you can go for days without seeing a soul where there's already no local, how is this going to revitalize null?

He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom
Kenneth O'Hara
Sebiestor Tribe
#869 - 2012-11-17 00:23:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Kenneth O'Hara
Ra'Shyne Viper wrote:
Kenneth O'Hara wrote:


I say all you goonswarm folks need to move out into W-space if you are that bored and hard pressed for money. Way more isk to be made in WHs than hisec and it's not as risky as you might think. You can literately go for days without seeing a soul unless your not keeping up with d-scans and staying in one spot for too long. .


Goons dont need anymore isk, im 90% sure they're the richest alliance in eve, even after getting disbanded.

and the bolded is your answer why i personally dont go to WH

I know right. I don't even see corp mates for that long sometimes. It is really fun though when you get into a neighbors WH and take all of there sites and such right from under them. Even while they are trying to hunt you down.

Living in a WH is somewhat an acquired taste. It's slow for days and then rush, rush, rush for 4 or so hours but you make about a week or 2 weeks worth of isk for only 4 hours of work. I found it's usually ever 3 days that the rush comes and it is well worth it in the long run. Majority of the steady income comes from your passive isk through researching, manufacturing (T3 and subsystem production, drugs) and PI. There are a few other things that involve sleeper tech but whatever.

Bring Saede Riordan back!! Never Forget! _"__Operation Godzilla Smacks Zeus"  ~__Graygor _
Kenneth O'Hara
Sebiestor Tribe
#870 - 2012-11-17 00:27:05 UTC
Darth Gustav wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:
Ra'Shyne Viper wrote:
Kenneth O'Hara wrote:


I say all you goonswarm folks need to move out into W-space if you are that bored and hard pressed for money. Way more isk to be made in WHs than hisec and it's not as risky as you might think. You can literately go for days without seeing a soul unless your not keeping up with d-scans and staying in one spot for too long. .


Goons dont need anymore isk, im 90% sure they're the richest alliance in eve, even after getting disbanded.

and the bolded is your answer why i personally dont go to WH

So how is removing local in null going to improve anything for you?

Not only that but if you can go for days without seeing a soul where there's already no local, how is this going to revitalize null?

There isn't any benefit to us besides scouting everything out and coming in to destroy it so we can move in and be just as bored and broke as y'all.Pirate

And just because I don't see anybody doesn't mean that there is nobody there.

The evidence of absence is not the absence of evidence.

Bring Saede Riordan back!! Never Forget! _"__Operation Godzilla Smacks Zeus"  ~__Graygor _
Darth Gustav
Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting
#871 - 2012-11-17 00:31:49 UTC
Kenneth O'Hara wrote:
Darth Gustav wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:
Ra'Shyne Viper wrote:
Kenneth O'Hara wrote:


I say all you goonswarm folks need to move out into W-space if you are that bored and hard pressed for money. Way more isk to be made in WHs than hisec and it's not as risky as you might think. You can literately go for days without seeing a soul unless your not keeping up with d-scans and staying in one spot for too long. .


Goons dont need anymore isk, im 90% sure they're the richest alliance in eve, even after getting disbanded.

and the bolded is your answer why i personally dont go to WH

So how is removing local in null going to improve anything for you?

Not only that but if you can go for days without seeing a soul where there's already no local, how is this going to revitalize null?

There isn't any benefit to us besides scouting everything out and coming in to destroy it so we can move in and be just as bored and broke as y'all.Pirate

And just because I don't see anybody doesn't mean that there is nobody there.

The evidence of absence is not the absence of evidence.

The absence of targets, however, is also the absence of target locks, weapon engagement, and ship destruction.

So your latter point is moot.

Your former point is possible right now, with local intact. In fact, local was there when all the great null-sec alliances took power. I guess you guys don't have the makings of a great null-sec alliance if you can't do this in the same environment as past greats.

I expected better points than this.

He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom
Kenneth O'Hara
Sebiestor Tribe
#872 - 2012-11-17 00:43:21 UTC
Darth Gustav wrote:

The absence of targets, however, is also the absence of target locks, weapon engagement, and ship destruction.

So your latter point is moot.

Your former point is possible right now, with local intact. In fact, local was there when all the great null-sec alliances took power. I guess you guys don't have the makings of a great null-sec alliance if you can't do this in the same environment as past greats.

I expected better points than this.

Sure! Taunting is a perfectly legit strategy when you are in the middle of nowhere nullsec and you have no friends to play with... poor, poor nullsecers. Too bad I'm already having fun and plenty of friends where I am at in W-space despite the down time. Helps me focus on passive isk making.

One of the things I do want to do is to be in a major fleet battle. Maybe one day Darth and all of the other goons, I may come out and play with ya. But, that is not my priority currently. I would much rather fight with covert ops, bombers, and t3s in a battle of wits at this time.

Bring Saede Riordan back!! Never Forget! _"__Operation Godzilla Smacks Zeus"  ~__Graygor _
MasterEnt
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#873 - 2012-11-17 00:46:06 UTC
Inquisitor Kitchner wrote:
Random scrubs from NPC corps that have never lived in null sec are disappointing too, yet you keep posting for some reason.



Please, with your infinite wisdom and all seeing eye. How is it you are so certain I have never been or lived in null.
Note the lack of a "?" Rhetorical because you don't know jack sh!t about it. Just taking the easy way out of a discussion.
Cpt Arareb
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#874 - 2012-11-17 00:46:07 UTC
CCP nerf local, actually kill it already geezSad
Ra'Shyne Viper
Native Freshfood
#875 - 2012-11-17 00:46:57 UTC
Darth Gustav wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:
Ra'Shyne Viper wrote:
Kenneth O'Hara wrote:


I say all you goonswarm folks need to move out into W-space if you are that bored and hard pressed for money. Way more isk to be made in WHs than hisec and it's not as risky as you might think. You can literately go for days without seeing a soul unless your not keeping up with d-scans and staying in one spot for too long. .


Goons dont need anymore isk, im 90% sure they're the richest alliance in eve, even after getting disbanded.

and the bolded is your answer why i personally dont go to WH

So how is removing local in null going to improve anything for you?

Not only that but if you can go for days without seeing a soul where there's already no local, how is this going to revitalize null?



Quote:
By removing local, smaller groups have a chance to actually make an impact on larger alliances and make names for themselves. The only way for smaller alliances/corps to get into 0.0 is by buying there way in which makes the super friends even richer then they already are.



that and what i said in a previous post a page before.

listen im not saying removing local will repair 0.0 but itll make it more interesting. if youre looking for a compromise, leave the blinking feature that lets you know someone enter the system. Just remove the stupid instamember list and how many are in system.


DUST 514 player

Ingame name: Vin Vicious
Darth Gustav
Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting
#876 - 2012-11-17 00:52:54 UTC
Ra'Shyne Viper wrote:
Ra'Shyne Viper wrote:
By removing local, smaller groups have a chance to actually make an impact on larger alliances and make names for themselves. The only way for smaller alliances/corps to get into 0.0 is by buying there way in which makes the super friends even richer then they already are.



that and what i said in a previous post a page before.

listen im not saying removing local will repair 0.0 but itll make it more interesting. if youre looking for a compromise, leave the blinking feature that lets you know someone enter the system. Just remove the stupid instamember list and how many are in system.



Look, by removing local you ensure that space will be empty and you won't have any targets to shoot.

That's exactly what we were just told WH's look like right now.

Removing local from null won't change that, so there'd be less combat.

Nobody benefits. Not small gangs, not blobs, nobody. Even miners suffer due to lower demand for materials.

In no scenario is this a good idea.

He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#877 - 2012-11-17 00:53:38 UTC
Ra'Shyne Viper wrote:
Quote:
By removing local, smaller groups have a chance to actually make an impact on larger alliances and make names for themselves. The only way for smaller alliances/corps to get into 0.0 is by buying there way in which makes the super friends even richer then they already are.

that and what i said in a previous post a page before.

What you mean is, "by removing local, cloaked ships become the roaming ship du jour, and the few people who are in nullsec now will move to hisec".

Ra'Shyne Viper wrote:
listen im not saying removing local will repair 0.0 but itll make it more interesting.

And by "more interesting" you mean "depopulated even further", "filled with cloaked roaming gangs" and "roaming gangs'll be lucky to find eachother".

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Darth Gustav
Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting
#878 - 2012-11-17 00:56:35 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
Ra'Shyne Viper wrote:
Quote:
By removing local, smaller groups have a chance to actually make an impact on larger alliances and make names for themselves. The only way for smaller alliances/corps to get into 0.0 is by buying there way in which makes the super friends even richer then they already are.

that and what i said in a previous post a page before.

What you mean is, "by removing local, cloaked ships become the roaming ship du jour, and the few people who are in nullsec now will move to hisec".

Ra'Shyne Viper wrote:
listen im not saying removing local will repair 0.0 but itll make it more interesting.

And by "more interesting" you mean "depopulated even further", "filled with cloaked roaming gangs" and "roaming gangs'll be lucky to find eachother".

It's like these people think we don't use local to get fights.

They think it's all defense and no offense.

He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom
Kenneth O'Hara
Sebiestor Tribe
#879 - 2012-11-17 00:57:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Kenneth O'Hara
Darth Gustav wrote:
Ra'Shyne Viper wrote:
Ra'Shyne Viper wrote:
By removing local, smaller groups have a chance to actually make an impact on larger alliances and make names for themselves. The only way for smaller alliances/corps to get into 0.0 is by buying there way in which makes the super friends even richer then they already are.



that and what i said in a previous post a page before.

listen im not saying removing local will repair 0.0 but itll make it more interesting. if youre looking for a compromise, leave the blinking feature that lets you know someone enter the system. Just remove the stupid instamember list and how many are in system.



Look, by removing local you ensure that space will be empty and you won't have any targets to shoot.

That's exactly what we were just told WH's look like right now.

Removing local from null won't change that, so there'd be less combat.

Nobody benefits. Not small gangs, not blobs, nobody. Even miners suffer due to lower demand for materials.

In no scenario is this a good idea.

just... stop.

You obviously have no idea how WH local works.

Just because local "looks" empty does not mean the system is empty. Just because you don't "see" anybody, does not mean that there is not someone there! Are you really that dense? Are you really so tied to local that you can't understand the concept that you don't appears in local unless you talk. It's the perfect opportunity to get the upper hand. Choose your battles or loose them.

Bring Saede Riordan back!! Never Forget! _"__Operation Godzilla Smacks Zeus"  ~__Graygor _
Darth Gustav
Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting
#880 - 2012-11-17 00:58:35 UTC
Kenneth O'Hara wrote:
Darth Gustav wrote:
Ra'Shyne Viper wrote:
Ra'Shyne Viper wrote:
By removing local, smaller groups have a chance to actually make an impact on larger alliances and make names for themselves. The only way for smaller alliances/corps to get into 0.0 is by buying there way in which makes the super friends even richer then they already are.



that and what i said in a previous post a page before.

listen im not saying removing local will repair 0.0 but itll make it more interesting. if youre looking for a compromise, leave the blinking feature that lets you know someone enter the system. Just remove the stupid instamember list and how many are in system.



Look, by removing local you ensure that space will be empty and you won't have any targets to shoot.

That's exactly what we were just told WH's look like right now.

Removing local from null won't change that, so there'd be less combat.

Nobody benefits. Not small gangs, not blobs, nobody. Even miners suffer due to lower demand for materials.

In no scenario is this a good idea.

just... stop.

You obviously have no idea how WH local works.

Just because local "looks" empty does not mean the system is empty. Just because you don't "see" anybody, does not mean that there is not someone there! Are you really that dense? Are you really so tied to local that you can't understand the concept that you don't appears in local unless you talk. It's the perfect opportunity to can the upper hand. Choose your battles or loose them.

You do know you have to see a ship on grid to target it, right?

You really think I don't know local is delayed in WH's?

In no scenario is this a good idea.

He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom