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Lord Zim

Gallente Federation

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#801 - 2012-11-16 17:22:09 UTC

Kenneth O'Hara wrote:

I thought Nullsec was already more profitable than W-space?

If you're looking at what individual people can make, then no. Go fish.

Kenneth O'Hara wrote:

If that's not the case, then why are we even having this conversation?

Because some people seem to think nullsec is literally spewing forth isk the instant you undock.

Kenneth O'Hara wrote:

Besides, it's not like all of the money is only made from running sites and ganking at gates or what not. Is making isk in nullsec really that hard? If you can't cut it and make a profit even when running with groups and doing the things that need to be done to survive such as running d-scans, staying aligned, scouting out, etc, etc... Then you don't need to be in nullsec in the first place. You are not ready for it yet.

You seem to be mistaking "I can't be arsed to do this in nullsec when I can make almost as much in hisec as I can in nullsec, for much less effort and less risk" for "I'm incapable of doing those things". You'd be wrong.

Kenneth O'Hara wrote:

All this stuff about being paid for their "troubles" is stuff they should already be doing to stay alive. Not losing a ship is payment enough.

Good luck with that line of thinking.

Kenneth O'Hara wrote:

Besides, I thought we played this game to have fun? Not run slave corps and login to go to work just to make the almighty ISK!
I just worked 10 hours and I don't want to login to "work" to just make isk. I want to come home from work and play to have fun.

That seems to be the prevalent line of thinking for literally everyone in nullsec as well, who keep one char in nullsec for PVP and the rest of their chars in hisec for moneymaking.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat

James Amril-Kesh

Viziam

Amarr Empire

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#802 - 2012-11-16 17:23:26 UTC

Kenneth O'Hara wrote:

I thought Nullsec was already more profitable than W-space? If that's not the case, then why are we even having this conversation? Besides, it's not like all of the money is only made from running sites and ganking at gates or what not. Is making isk in nullsec really that hard? If you can't cut it and make a profit even when running with groups and doing the things that need to be done to survive such as running d-scans, staying aligned, scouting out, etc, etc... Then you don't need to be in nullsec in the first place. You are not ready for it yet.

@Lord Zim
All this stuff about being paid for their "troubles" is stuff they should already be doing to stay alive. Not losing a ship is payment enough.

Besides, I thought we played this game to have fun? Not run slave corps and login to go to work just to make the almighty ISK!
I just worked 10 hours and I don't want to login to "work" to just make isk. I want to come home from work and play to have fun. This second concept seems to elude everyone here on this thread. I don't want to be taken care of and have everything handed to me but I would also like a challenge when I do decide to go to nullsec.

Stop... just... stop.

It should be obvious even to you that you don't know what you're talking about. You were under the false assumption that nullsec was anywhere near as profitable as w-space. You still seem to think that what money we do make should be higher if only we were better at making it, under the false assumption that we haven't already optimized the hell out of it.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)

Jeremy Soikutsu

Kite Co. Space Trucking

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#803 - 2012-11-16 17:31:46 UTC | Edited by: Jeremy Soikutsu

Kenneth O'Hara wrote:

Just shut the **** up. You should've quit when you said you didn't know anything about Null. You didn't need to spend a dozen posts so throughly proving it.

Kenneth O'Hara wrote:

I'm practiclly gagging on the irony.

"Of course you would choose the fun, but you don't lead a relevant entity which has allies." - Colonel Xaven

Lin-Young Borovskova

Doomheim

Likes received: 1,145

#804 - 2012-11-16 17:32:29 UTC

Spaceman Jack wrote:

James Amril-Kesh wrote:

Kenneth O'Hara wrote:

Then you need to come up with more lucrative ways to make money or find a better accountant.

It's almost as if I didn't just tell you exactly what everyone in nullsec would do if this were to happen.

So now, not only are you assuming the impact of the difference, but you are also speaking for everyones future reaction in nullsec if certain changes were made. Nice LOL

You making a claim as to what everyone "would do" is nothing more than a far-fetched assumption. I make over a billion a month in Nullsec activities alone, and I don't even have alliance support structure in there.

Too bad your activity strategy is not as creative as your assumption imagination machine.

Yeah and I'm Michael Jackson and always move doing moonwalk...

You tell a little bit, but only the little bit to support your point but nothing reasonable or that makes sense.

I would be happy to see local go away the day I can jump in wh's with "some" mates and make it clear to put SBU's over there.
Why do you guys use of so many alts and words to talk about local and refuse to have gates instead?
Why do you awesome pvper who don't even need local to be uber pvpers just get out of those wh's and come claim null sec space?

I mean, before trying to tell to null sec players what's good for them, why don't you really become one of them and realise how silly, I'd say stupid, this remove local idea is.

Flash news, CCP seems to know a little bit more than most of you about local, null sec and wh's. They implemented a little feature making your local window blink when someone comes in or out.

You guys clearly haven't understood did you?

brb


Jeremy Soikutsu Kite Co. Space Trucking Likes received: 81	#805 - 2012-11-16 17:39:22 UTC 1 Spaceman Jack wrote: You making a claim as to what everyone "would do" is nothing more than a far-fetched assumption. He's got you there James, I'm sure there would be some complete morons that refused to move to high defying all reason and logic. "Of course you would choose the fun, but you don't lead a relevant entity which has allies." - Colonel Xaven

Kenneth O'Hara

Sebiestor Tribe

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#806 - 2012-11-16 17:39:57 UTC | Edited by: Kenneth O'Hara

James Amril-Kesh wrote:

Kenneth O'Hara wrote:

You're right. I don't know a whole lot about nullsec. But, I'm not going from false assumptions. Unlike most people, I actually do research and talk to other more experienced players in areas I am not familiar with. Based on my findings, it is the complete opposite of what everyone is saying here about nullsec. Majority of these findings are from in game players, corps, and Alliances that I have come across and still communicate with on a regular basis that can back up their claims of making ISK in nullsec. If I don't know what I am talking about then fine. I can accept that but the facts and evidence I have come across say otherwise. I shall leave everyone here be to your whinnin. Oh and fyi, these players do not post on forums about their problems. Anything else said to me after this will fall on deaf ears as I am unsubscribing to this thread.

Bring Saede Riordan back!! Never Forget! _"__Operation Godzilla Smacks Zeus" ~__Graygor _

Jeremy Soikutsu

Kite Co. Space Trucking

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#807 - 2012-11-16 17:46:56 UTC | Edited by: Jeremy Soikutsu

Kenneth O'Hara wrote:

But, I'm not going from false assumptions.

In fact, that is exactly what you are doing.

Kenneth O'Hara wrote:

I[...]talk to other more experienced players in areas I am not familiar with.

If they're other WHers I'd disregard anything they've told you. This thread seems to demonstrate that vet WHers don't know much more than you do.

P.S. Scuttlebutt isn't real findings.

P.P.S. You should come see how much you can make in the Drone Lands. We're so flush we can barely lose pimp fit Machs fast enough.

"Of course you would choose the fun, but you don't lead a relevant entity which has allies." - Colonel Xaven


Lord Zim Gallente Federation Likes received: 2,451	#808 - 2012-11-16 17:48:38 UTC "waah I got spanked with facts I quit!" Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home. RIP Vile Rat

MasterEnt

The Scope

Gallente Federation

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#809 - 2012-11-16 18:13:03 UTC | Edited by: MasterEnt

James Amril-Kesh wrote:

Does watching gates cover wormholes? Does dscan or combat probes show cloaked ships? Do these friends get anything for watching gates besides hours of boredom? I think you're forgetting this is a game.

Are you kidding me - They get a cut of the profits, and a few kills if they are quick enough.
Aren't you part of an alliance? WTF do you guys do over there.
Do they just not like you? Dont want to watch your back cuz your greedy and condescending.

Lord Zim wrote:

"waah I got spanked with facts I quit!"

Finally, most sensible and factual thing you've said in 40 pages.

Lord Zim

Gallente Federation

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#810 - 2012-11-16 18:14:59 UTC

MasterEnt wrote:

Are you kidding me - They get a cut of the profits, and a few kills if they are quick enough.

Or they'd get more, with less tedium and less work, if they made money in hisec instead.

MasterEnt wrote:

Aren't you part of an alliance? WTF do you guys do over there.

They PVP in nullsec, and make isk in hisec.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat

MasterEnt

The Scope

Gallente Federation

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#811 - 2012-11-16 18:17:53 UTC

Lord Zim wrote:

MasterEnt wrote:

Are you kidding me - They get a cut of the profits, and a few kills if they are quick enough.

Or they'd get more, with less tedium and less work, if they made money in hisec instead.

MasterEnt wrote:

Aren't you part of an alliance? WTF do you guys do over there.

They PVP in nullsec, and make isk in hisec.

So go make money wherever you can. Make in Null, Make inHi, Make in WH. Go be a master at this **** and own it.
Besides, what does this have to do with the fact real time local is risk-averse.

EI Digin

irc.zulusquad.org

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#812 - 2012-11-16 18:19:24 UTC

MasterEnt wrote:

Lord Zim wrote:

MasterEnt wrote:

Are you kidding me - They get a cut of the profits, and a few kills if they are quick enough.

Or they'd get more, with less tedium and less work, if they made money in hisec instead.

MasterEnt wrote:

Aren't you part of an alliance? WTF do you guys do over there.

They PVP in nullsec, and make isk in hisec.

So go make money wherever you can. Make in Null, Make inHi, Make in WH. Go be a master at this **** and own it.
Besides, what does this have to do with the fact real time local is risk-averse.

Because if you take away things that nullsecers use as basic homeland defense and replace it with nothing, you are going to leave nullsec more of a barren wasteland than it already is.

Spaceman Jack

Deep Core Mining Inc.

Caldari State

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#813 - 2012-11-16 18:27:31 UTC | Edited by: Spaceman Jack

EI Digin wrote:

Spaceman Jack wrote:

You making a claim as to what everyone "would do" is nothing more than a far-fetched assumption. I make over a billion a month in Nullsec activities alone, and I don't even have alliance support structure in there.

Congratulations, you've made enough isk to fund yourself a plex, and two combat battleships which should inevitably be lost over the course of a month. Maybe you lose a ratting T3 and you only have enough money to replace that one ship that month. I know a billion is a nice large number but for any person who has space to defend (the primary objective in 0.0) and whose alliance does not have enough isk for full reimbursement programs (because large alliances have taken all of the moons), and for someone who needs to plex multiple accounts (you need two to scout yourself, right?), a billion isk is nothing.

Why worry about any of this stuff when you can live in highsec and make similar amounts of money, but with much less costs?

Rule #1 - Don't fly what you cannot afford to loose.
Rule #2 - Don't live beyond your means.

Your desire to have multiple toons, to pay with plex or the need to buy the wrong ships for your income level is not anyones problem but your own.

But you stated it yourself, all this denial and desire to keep a magic intel box is over the need to do things on your own and by yourself. Get some good mates, all your problems are solved.

MasterEnt

The Scope

Gallente Federation

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#814 - 2012-11-16 18:31:24 UTC

EI Digin wrote:

Because if you take away things that nullsecers use as basic homeland defense and replace it with nothing, you are going to leave nullsec more of a barren wasteland than it already is.

Real time local is a basic defense. LOL
What the hell do you have an Alliance, ships, guns & POSs and spies for?

Man, I had actually thought highly of Test and Razor until now.
I didn't realize their success relied so much on their strategic use of local.

Jeremy Soikutsu

Kite Co. Space Trucking

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#815 - 2012-11-16 18:31:49 UTC

MasterEnt wrote:

So go make money wherever you can. Make in Null, Make inHi, Make in WH.

Normally I'd ask if you'd been paying attention this entire time, but it's pretty clear you haven't. Here's it lain out real simple, we want to make our space worth living is SO PEOPLE WILL LIVE IN IT. Not just clone jumping back and forth or only have a PvP alt that you log on to get into fleet then log to another alt(s) in high to do everything else.

"Of course you would choose the fun, but you don't lead a relevant entity which has allies." - Colonel Xaven

James Amril-Kesh

Viziam

Amarr Empire

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#816 - 2012-11-16 18:33:54 UTC

MasterEnt wrote:

I didn't realize their success relied so much on their strategic use of local.

It doesn't. Our ability to make money where we live does. If you take away local we'll be forced to make our money in highsec. Which I've been repeating about having been repeating for the past ten pages or so. I don't even remember at this point.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)


MasterEnt The Scope Gallente Federation Likes received: 133	#817 - 2012-11-16 18:34:15 UTC \| Edited by: MasterEnt I digress. I severely underestimated these alliances ability to work as a team and adapt to situations as they have told others to do. Did not realize so much is solo despite the massive groups roaming the stars and the use of real-time local as the crutch it was to keep space and rat/mine alone. I agree with the OP, Nullbears disappoint.

James Amril-Kesh

Viziam

Amarr Empire

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#818 - 2012-11-16 18:35:15 UTC

MasterEnt wrote:

I digress. I severely underestimated these alliances ability to work as a team. Did not realize so much is solo despite the massive groups roaming the stars and the use of real-time local as the crutch it was to keep space and rat/mine alone.

I agree with the OP, Nullbears disappoint.

You must be getting used to all that earwax under your fingernails. It's almost as if you're beginning to enjoy it.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)

Ra'Shyne Viper

Native Freshfood

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#819 - 2012-11-16 18:35:33 UTC

PvP in null is basically dead, Catch pipe and Curse pipe are the only places anything happens. and even then its just a game of who set up the best bubble.

if you look at the map, switch between Ships destroyed in the last 24hrs and faction/pirate ships destroyed in the last 24hrs that'll tell you what 0.0 is all about.

p.s to the razor guy that said "oh, sitting on gate well others mine sounds like a fun activity." Yeah, and mining's a fcuking blast. and lets be real here. if you weren't mining, you'd be sitting on a gate anyway. At least now you have a purpose other then to inflate your precise killboard.

and on that note if you want to pvp kids, stay in the north high sec or FW. i predict in the coming year 0.0 will look very deserted, more so then it already is.

DUST 514 player

Ingame name: Vin Vicious


MasterEnt The Scope Gallente Federation Likes received: 133	#820 - 2012-11-16 18:38:13 UTC James Amril-Kesh wrote: You must be getting used to all that earwax under your fingernails. It's almost as if you're beginning to enjoy it. You are right, I didn't want to believe you nullbears were such lazy pussi3s who could not be bothered to find alternate forms of income.

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