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I'm still reading this one - haven't reached the end yet...

Congrats, you have made a Maller fit that has basically the tank of a Thorax (attack cruiser, not combat) with about 65% of the dps, 200 m/s slower AND STILL HAS WAY WORSE CAP (Still lasts only about 70 seconds under one neut from 100%)

Yes you made it 'usable' capwise, its still **** compared to most of the other cruisers though.

Cool, that's what I was figuring. (GMP skill, etc) was just making sure I didn't miss anything.

Brofist to you foz.

CCP Fozzie

Ore don't need a mining frigate.

They need a cyno ship and scanning ship to support mining Rorqals in their hunt for grav anomalies and for POS support. An ore frigate for THOSE roles would be wildly popular, your mining frigate won't be.

That Venture better be able to fit a cyno and hold enough liquid ozone to use it.

While I would not object to a larger emphasis being placed on speed for destroyers, I also understand that in most cases their way of dealing with kiting frigates is the ability to inflict large amounts of damage at considerable range.

Cruisers as a whole needed a speed increase, as they are too thin usually to rely on tanking ability alone to survive. They are a far cry from entering the realm of speed that required the nano nerfs... with the possible exception of the Stabber, but it has been restricted in other ways (some would say too harshly, but I have seen what a nano gang using apprporiate tactics can accomplish with little more damage available than what the Stabber will have).

MOTHER OF GOD!

This is definitely one of the best devblogs released in months, maybe years. Well-referenced, well thought out, very informative, and very concise considering the amount of information it provides.

This devblog, I like it!

Another!

Exciting stuff, also appreciate the effort that was obviously put into compiling it so neatly.

This was the original design (which is why the class came with a range bonus), but it didn't work in practice. Frigs were able to easily stay out of range of the bonused guns. Dessies need to be able to catch their targets - via a speed advantage or, more preferably, via a web/scram range bonus.


Speed is relative. Decrease long gun/missile ranges, increase hit penalties vs. moving targets, nerf TEs, reducing tracking speeds, etc. and you don't need those speed buffs.

I'm just pointing out that increasing values across the board usually leads to problems. You increase speed - now the guns and missiles don't hit as well. So, you tweak up the missiles and guns to improve their ability to hit fast targets. Then, the guns and missiles are hitting too well, so you buff the ship speed again. Eventually, you end up with Stabs moving at 20+km/s. This is how the original speed problems occurred. Not in a single patch, but a series of upwardly biased balancing tweaks.

Ideally, after each round of balancing changes, your average delta over all changes (measured in percentage change, not absolute values) should be zero, or nearly so. If it is consistently positive, say +5% each round of tweaking, then you are going to run into power/speed creep problems, which will eventually break the game mechanics.