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Doubt about BC skill changes.
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Rengerel en Distel
#21 - 2012-11-14 00:15:44 UTC
Steve Ronuken wrote:
And people /completely/ ignoring the dev posts on the thread attached to the dev blog.

Funny that. Everyone seems to think they're asking totally new questions.


"let me google that for you" wouldn't actually be a thing if most people weren't like that. using google is :work: while looking like an idiot on the forums is fine, because if you actually make them feel bad for being so lazy, they'll just say they were trolling.

With the increase in shiptoasting, the Report timer needs to be shortened.
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#22 - 2012-11-14 05:01:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Ranger 1
Oopsy Bear wrote:
Some Rando wrote:
Oopsy Bear wrote:
The dev blog isn't exactly Shakespeare.

No, but it's pretty clear and concise.


And yet we've seen enough posts on this topic for people to be sick of them.

To be honest they could have tatoo'd a neon spreadsheet on Angelina Jolie's left butt cheek with descriptive notations in 24 different languages... and had an add company come up with a catchy jingle for "if you can fly it now, you can fly it later" played on every major network non stop over the last month... and people would still be asking the same questions.

Edit: Now that I think about it, next time could we at least try the first part I mentioned. You know, just to be sure. Smile

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Kara Vix
Perkone
Caldari State
#23 - 2012-11-14 06:14:11 UTC
Ah Eve forums, where a new player can politely ask a question and get flamed and threatened by forum muppets. So impressive!
Morrigan LeSante
Perkone
Caldari State
#24 - 2012-11-14 08:46:59 UTC
Some Rando wrote:
Oopsy Bear wrote:
The dev blog isn't exactly Shakespeare.

No, but it's pretty clear and concise. "You will still be able to fly what you can fly now" should tell you exactly what you need to know. The time frame may be vague, but that's normal development. At least they're telling you to start now.


It's the timeframe that's the annoying part.

I agree, no dev can tell you when it will go live with certainty, however "absolutely 100% not before XXX" is much more realistic to be able to say.

The only date we've had for that is Dec 4th, we could stand to have a date a little further out - preferably stickied//added to an updated blog.

BC V is a few weeks worth and since the dev updates say you only get given complete skills, it's fair to say we need a minimum of the time it would take to go IV > V with an off map, a minimum.

Spending 22 of the 23 days needed (for example) only to miss the deadline and lose those three weeks worth of training would be rather galling Smile
Jurias
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#25 - 2012-11-14 11:39:09 UTC
The dev blog only says something along the lines of "if you can fly it now, you will still be able to fly It after the changes".

The blog does not specify whether if you have Destroyer and Battlecruisers to 5 and are eligible to fly all of the racial types now, whether you will be granted all of the racial Destroyer and Battlecruiser skills to 5 after the changes, or whether you will gain reimbursement on those skills to top up whichever of the racial skills you desire (which reading between the lines, you may only be granted level 2 or 3 on those respectively - yes think about it, regardless of whether you fly interdictors and command ships now).

In defense of the OP, the dev blog is still open to a certain degree interpretation, regardless of what any forum warriors think they know.

This needs a dev response. A table is a good idea too, as it removes ambiguity.
J3ssica Alba
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#26 - 2012-11-14 11:46:48 UTC
I trained those skills up on 2 accounts back in May right before Inferno, how people haven't gotten around to doing them yet is beyond me
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Morrigan LeSante
Perkone
Caldari State
#27 - 2012-11-14 12:10:52 UTC
J3ssica Alba wrote:
I trained those skills up on 2 accounts back in May right before Inferno, how people haven't gotten around to doing them yet is beyond me


Because I had better things to train than skills for hulls I don't fly.....? Roll
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#28 - 2012-11-14 12:47:03 UTC
Jurias wrote:
The dev blog only says something along the lines of "if you can fly it now, you will still be able to fly It after the changes".
…and has a “comment” link where the devs have posted comments. There was pretty much no ambiguity in the original statement; the question was answered back in spring when it was first brought up; it was answered again in the comment thread.

Quote:
This needs a dev response.
Good thing that, between now and the first time the whole thing was brought up back in March, the devs have responded, oh… several dozen times.
Jurias
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#29 - 2012-11-14 13:03:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Jurias
That's all well and good, but you shouldn't have to trawl the forums or wade through tons of comments for information which should be presented clearly and concisely in the announcement. Things may also have changed since the previous statement so we expect new information to override old as well as be complete.

Thanks for posting your tripe.
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#30 - 2012-11-14 15:24:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Ranger 1
Jurias wrote:
That's all well and good, but you shouldn't have to trawl the forums or wade through tons of comments for information which should be presented clearly and concisely in the announcement. Things may also have changed since the previous statement so we expect new information to override old as well as be complete.

Thanks for posting your tripe.

Translation:
I would like the same concise information repeated several times so that I can really be sure....

People are really over thinking this, it's incredibly simple.

If you can fly all BC's/destoyers at level 5 before, it will be the same afterwards.
You won't be given prerequisit skills you don't already have, nor will you need them.

Seriously, if you plan on needing to fly all 4 races ships up through the BC level, and are willing to spend the years necessary to be able to do this competently, then take a few weeks and knock yourselves out. You've already had several months to do so.

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Morrigan LeSante
Perkone
Caldari State
#31 - 2012-11-14 15:28:22 UTC
It's not entirely unreasonably to hope that the original post would be edited to add FAQs as a great many other dev posts are.

Wading through god knows how many pages looking for a dev response isn't the quickest. If its even there since the dev blog post holds the dev tag by default...(unless I miss a quick way to find dev posts)
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#32 - 2012-11-14 15:30:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Ranger 1
Morrigan LeSante wrote:
It's not entirely unreasonably to hope that the original post would be edited to add FAQs as a great many other dev posts are.

Wading through god knows how many pages looking for a dev response isn't the quickest. If its even there since the dev blog post holds the dev tag by default...(unless I miss a quick way to find dev posts)


If you click on the blue dev tags they take you in order through every dev response in a thread. You can scan a 100 page thread for dev posts in a few minutes (depending on how wordy the devs are that day).

It save's a huge amount of time spent scanning a large thread for all the Dev replies.

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First Main
Main's Moon Mining
#33 - 2012-11-14 15:32:34 UTC
OP not sure if this helps you but,

I am training all my frigs to level 3, my destroyer skill to level 4, all my cruiser skills to level 3 and my battlecruiser skill to level 4.

My reasoning for this simply that it will provide a the ability to fly any all battlecruiser or lower ship for all races. ideally i will get teh frigs and cruiser skills up to level 4 if time permits, but the above is my initial plan
Dave stark
#34 - 2012-11-14 15:39:27 UTC
Kara Vix wrote:
Ah Eve forums, where a new player can politely ask a question and get flamed and threatened by forum muppets. So impressive!


you say that like they don't deserve it.

a quick look around the forum to find the answer vs making yet another of these posts (of which multiple can be found via the search function).

there's really no reason for this topic at all, especially when the answer has been put out there many times by the devs.
Some Rando
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#35 - 2012-11-14 16:37:23 UTC
First Main wrote:
I am training all my frigs to level 3, my destroyer skill to level 4, all my cruiser skills to level 3 and my battlecruiser skill to level 4.

You have to have all your frigs to IV in order to train all your cruisers to III. However, the gist of your plan is solid if you don't have all the time in the world.

Personally, I put off training BC to V until a few days from now because I don't fly them often and the devs had previous stated they would give enough warning before the changes took place, which they actually did in this dev blog. As it stands, my BC V will finish a few days after the 4th.

I'm pretty confident that the actual skill changes won't happen for at least a few weeks after Retribution comes out, probably a good month, so most anyone except for the greenest of greenhorns should have plenty of time to at least get BC to IV for all races.

CCP has no sense of humour.
Pohbis
Neo T.E.C.H.
#36 - 2012-11-14 17:19:49 UTC
The changes to skills, go in when the ships have been re-balanced.

Battlecruisers aren't part of Retribution according to the latest Devblog, so you should concentrate on destroyers for now, which are.

Nobody knows when the battlecruiser changes go in tho, so best start training those asap after you're done with destroyers.
Paranoch
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#37 - 2012-11-14 18:07:15 UTC
Kara Vix wrote:
Ah Eve forums, where a new player can politely ask a question and get flamed and threatened by forum muppets. So impressive!

+1 ahahahaha
Paranoch
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#38 - 2012-11-14 18:09:08 UTC
Some Rando wrote:
First Main wrote:
I am training all my frigs to level 3, my destroyer skill to level 4, all my cruiser skills to level 3 and my battlecruiser skill to level 4.

You have to have all your frigs to IV in order to train all your cruisers to III. However, the gist of your plan is solid if you don't have all the time in the world.

Personally, I put off training BC to V until a few days from now because I don't fly them often and the devs had previous stated they would give enough warning before the changes took place, which they actually did in this dev blog. As it stands, my BC V will finish a few days after the 4th.

I'm pretty confident that the actual skill changes won't happen for at least a few weeks after Retribution comes out, probably a good month, so most anyone except for the greenest of greenhorns should have plenty of time to at least get BC to IV for all races.


yes, but for some they must start now. We know its not 4th of december but something a tad more clear would not kill any1.
Some Rando
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#39 - 2012-11-14 18:18:03 UTC
Paranoch wrote:
yes, but for some they must start now. We know its not 4th of december but something a tad more clear would not kill any1.

Developers don't give hard and fast dates for a very good reason. Be glad we at least have this much warning.

CCP has no sense of humour.
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#40 - 2012-11-14 19:26:34 UTC
Some Rando wrote:
Paranoch wrote:
yes, but for some they must start now. We know its not 4th of december but something a tad more clear would not kill any1.

Developers don't give hard and fast dates for a very good reason. Be glad we at least have this much warning.

Indeed, and it bears repeating that they infact gave several months warning.

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