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i am disappointed in null sec people. (TL:DR talking about local chat.) read first post.

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Inquisitor Kitchner
The Executives
#721 - 2012-11-14 10:00:31 UTC
Mirima Thurander wrote:
Inquisitor Kitchner wrote:


Think this thread ceased to be yours about the time you stopped reading people's posts and just replied with what you reckon they were probably saying instead of what they were actually saying.

I'm drawing conclusions just like they are about no local.

U said null sec experience and most people go KILLBORED stats lulz.


So go on I know what your talking about and I was simply pointing out the fact some people CANT post with mains for the fact of losing face with there overlords. U know this if u new any thing about the way null works.


Most people usually apologise when they made a mistake but hey you know whatever.

There are plenty of "important people" in null who post on here with their mains. If they aren't willing to put their name to an opinion then they shouldn't spout it off and when challenged claim they have loads of pvp experience or have lived in nullsec for years etc. It's like a company telling it's investors it's making loads of profit but never showing them the books: Sure they say they are doing well, but how can you know?

If you're posting on an alt fair enough, personally I think it's sad you feel the need to disconnect your "main" EVE identity from your opinions as they are that out of line with the community you fear retribution(™). However if you do post with an alt the "lol my main is like soooooooo experienced and what ur on about, you just can't tell as this is an alt" is a boring, predictable and stupid argument that often isn't true.

"If an injury has to be done to a man it should be so severe that his vengeance need not be feared." - Niccolo Machiavelli

Light dat Cyno
Treasures Collectors
#722 - 2012-11-14 13:07:56 UTC
Mirima Thurander wrote:
S'Way wrote:
Local isn't the greatest foe in 0.0 causing the lack of targets - the massive blue lists are.

All removing local will do is cause spamming of the directional scanner by everyone, putting more load on the server. Maybe a delayed local based on the sec status of the systems could work (with 1.0 being instant and gradual delays from there).



No, no easy Intel if you don't want to work for it you don't deserve it.




I am truly Am disappointed in you full time null sec.players. U act hardcore but your just another forum of carebear I know your scared of a world with no local chat but man up please its for the best.

Think of all the stupid.ratters you could kill if they didn't have local to warn them when you jump in system.

Think of the fleets you could jump if they didn't have good scouts.

Think of all the kill mails you could get.


Strange that I feel disappointed about you "remove local - lolz!!" players aswell. Most of the time someone comes by to our system, he instantly leaves the system as soon as one of us miners jumps into a combatship. :D

And - you can have your fights allready, just stick in protected systems instead of chasing miners for "da eazy kill".
MasterEnt
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#723 - 2012-11-14 14:22:22 UTC  |  Edited by: MasterEnt
Inquisitor Kitchner wrote:
MasterEnt wrote:

HOW DARE YOU SAY I DONT KNOW WHAT YOURE ON ABOUT!
MY ALT IS A SUPER ELITE NULL PVP BET YET I CHOOSE TO POST AS THIS ALT FOR NO REASON WHATSOEVER


It's be funny if it wasn't so predictable. Post on your main character then if you have all this null sec experience.
Although you wont, because you don't.

By the way, I wet my bed last night after having a disturbing dream about my mummy. I'm SO embarrassed about it I am going to rage post again with a hand-full of assumptions and then put words in your mouth while changing the subject in hopes you will stop challenging my complete inability to formulate an mature discussion and distract from the fact I have no clue what I am talking about.



LOL - that is cute what you did there... adding in your own quotes under my name. At least we have put the limit of you debate abilities and maturity to bed, as well as your need to desperately claw at things you know nothing about.

Which is my alt, which is my main... irrelevant. Do you want me to post here with all four of my toons? Do you think claiming I dont have one is going to want me to expose it? By the way... which one IS my main? Do you realize they are all played by the same individual? Do you think somehow posing with a different character name is going to change my views on the subject, or give you anymore insight to my experience in null? Where did i even say I was a PVP elitist? But then again holding on to assumption and putting words in someone's mouth is classic to those who cannot manage a discussion on point.

Mirima Thurander is correct, Besides the fact I STARTED this discussion with this toon, I have nothing outside of this discussion to prove to you and there is no clear reason I should expose the advantage of any of my other alts for the sake of a forum war. Is posting with a different name magically going to change your need to disregard facts or make any fewer assumption? He is also right in concluding that if you really knew anything about nullsec politics, it would not even be an (irrelevant) question. I think even the nullbears who don't agree with me on the removal of local can agree on that. All those other people you mentioned that do "post with their main," again, how do you assume their intentions, or they dont have an alt making counter claims, or are hidden somewhere with other motives. Please, you don't know sh!t. Besides, this Toon still has nullbear ties to risk, so once again your assumptions are WAY off on many levels.

Either way, I have no idea why it would make a difference since you are hell-bent on fabricating facts and changing the topic anyway, why dont you just change my name when you quote me to an alt... sorry... main name of your choice.
Inquisitor Kitchner
The Executives
#724 - 2012-11-14 14:28:04 UTC
MasterEnt wrote:


More sutff about he has loads of null sec alts, honestly, and like if he would tell you who they are you would totally regret everything you have said because his skill are really awesome but he's too smart for that. Honest.




lol

"If an injury has to be done to a man it should be so severe that his vengeance need not be feared." - Niccolo Machiavelli

Kenneth O'Hara
Sebiestor Tribe
#725 - 2012-11-14 14:46:22 UTC
MasterEnt wrote:
Inquisitor Kitchner wrote:
MasterEnt wrote:

HOW DARE YOU SAY I DONT KNOW WHAT YOURE ON ABOUT!
MY ALT IS A SUPER ELITE NULL PVP BET YET I CHOOSE TO POST AS THIS ALT FOR NO REASON WHATSOEVER


It's be funny if it wasn't so predictable. Post on your main character then if you have all this null sec experience.
Although you wont, because you don't.

By the way, I wet my bed last night after having a disturbing dream about my mummy. I'm SO embarrassed about it I am going to rage post again with a hand-full of assumptions and then put words in your mouth while changing the subject in hopes you will stop challenging my complete inability to formulate an mature discussion and distract from the fact I have no clue what I am talking about.



LOL - that is cute what you did there... adding in your own quotes under my name. At least we have put the limit of you debate abilities and maturity to bed, as well as your need to desperately claw at things you know nothing about.

Which is my alt, which is my main... irrelevant. Do you want me to post here with all four of my toons? Do you think claiming I dont have one is going to want me to expose it? By the way... which one IS my main? Do you realize they are all played by the same individual? Do you think somehow posing with a different character name is going to change my views on the subject, or give you anymore insight to my experience in null? Where did i even say I was a PVP elitist? But then again holding on to assumption and putting words in someone's mouth is classic to those who cannot manage a discussion on point.

Mirima Thurander is correct, Besides the fact I STARTED this discussion with this toon, I have nothing outside of this discussion to prove to you and there is no clear reason I should expose the advantage of any of my other alts for the sake of a forum war. Is posting with a different name magically going to change your need to disregard facts or make any fewer assumption? He is also right in concluding that if you really knew anything about nullsec politics, it would not even be an (irrelevant) question. I think even the nullbears who don't agree with me on the removal of local can agree on that. All those other people you mentioned that do "post with their main," again, how do you assume their intentions, or they dont have an alt making counter claims, or are hidden somewhere with other motives. Please, you don't know sh!t. Besides, this Toon still has nullbear ties to risk, so once again your assumptions are WAY off on many levels.

Either way, I have no idea why it would make a difference since you are hell-bent on fabricating facts and changing the topic anyway, why dont you just change my name when you quote me to an alt... sorry... main name of your choice.

tl;dr

Muah!

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MasterEnt
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#726 - 2012-11-14 15:00:29 UTC  |  Edited by: MasterEnt
Inquisitor Kitchner wrote:
MasterEnt wrote:


I have a buddy of mine you can call, specializes in Oedipus complex. He says it is important to talk to him before the incest phase begins,



Too late


Dang, should have not wasted so much time talking out of your @ss.

Well, I would love to continue to have this battle of the wits... alas, you are an unarmed man.
Inquisitor Kitchner
The Executives
#727 - 2012-11-14 15:28:29 UTC
MasterEnt wrote:

Dang, should have not wasted so much time talking out of your @ss.

Well, I would love to continue to have this battle of the wits... alas, you are an unarmed man.


What a typical pubbie alt who's never been into nullsec response.

It's easy to tell who the guys are who don't live in null sec because they are the ones who throw a hissy fit over words as they've never had someone actually blow up their ship Blink

"If an injury has to be done to a man it should be so severe that his vengeance need not be feared." - Niccolo Machiavelli

MasterEnt
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#728 - 2012-11-14 20:44:19 UTC  |  Edited by: MasterEnt
Inquisitor Kitchner wrote:


Woooord
Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
#729 - 2012-11-14 21:15:52 UTC
Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:
If they remove local how will I smack in local? Sad


Give local a limited range. Say, 500km? Or maybe even 3 or 4 AU? Heck, just base it off signature radius if you want. Bigger ships spot easier on local at longer ranges. Little ships with small sig can evade detection easier. Ships that actively broadcast (by using local chat) get a spike in their detection radius for a minute or two (kind of like a submarine using active sonar).

That way you could still talk smack and spot targets via local when they are within a certain range, but beyond that range everything is still an unknown factor.

You could even apply that same system to WH space without screwing things up - heck, might even improve on it.

http://youtu.be/t0q2F8NsYQ0

James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#730 - 2012-11-14 21:19:51 UTC
What makes you think that would be a good idea?

Enjoying the rain today? ;)

Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#731 - 2012-11-14 21:23:23 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
What makes you think that would be a good idea?

He'll follow it up with a suggestion to boost rewards (thus breaking the eve economy some more), finding cloaked ships (thus breaking wormholes) and reducing hisec rewards (thus causing everyone.gif to quit).

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat

Kenneth O'Hara
Sebiestor Tribe
#732 - 2012-11-14 21:32:06 UTC
Katran Luftschreck wrote:
Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:
If they remove local how will I smack in local? Sad


Give local a limited range. Say, 500km? Or maybe even 3 or 4 AU? Heck, just base it off signature radius if you want. Bigger ships spot easier on local at longer ranges. Little ships with small sig can evade detection easier. Ships that actively broadcast (by using local chat) get a spike in their detection radius for a minute or two (kind of like a submarine using active sonar).

That way you could still talk smack and spot targets via local when they are within a certain range, but beyond that range everything is still an unknown factor.

You could even apply that same system to WH space without screwing things up - heck, might even improve on it.

As I am someone who lives in W-space, local is not used at all. No one even shows up in the local chat unless you type something in it in case you were not aware. It is there but it is unwise to use it because you reveal that you are in someone's system which completely ruins any element of surprise. Keep W-space out of this topic as it is fine the way it is currently.

All though, it has been really laggy since the last unscheduled down time.

Bring Saede Riordan back!! Never Forget! _"__Operation Godzilla Smacks Zeus"  ~__Graygor _

James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#733 - 2012-11-14 22:04:39 UTC
Kenneth O'Hara wrote:
Keep W-space out of this topic as it is fine the way it is currently.

And with regards to local, so is null sec (except for one very minor detail covered in my signature).

Enjoying the rain today? ;)

Mirima Thurander
#734 - 2012-11-15 03:29:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Mirima Thurander
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Kenneth O'Hara wrote:
Keep W-space out of this topic as it is fine the way it is currently.

And with regards to local, so is null sec (except for one very minor detail covered in my signature).

I have read this I still don't like it.
It still makes your lives to easy with free Intel.

U still had to take no precaution besides staring at local.

How about near a gate show up in local. Near a station show up in local. Near a poco show up in local.

This way u can see me show up but u truly never know if Leave or not.

All automated intel should be removed from the game including Instant local/jumps/kills/cynos for all systems/regions.Eve should report nothing like this to the client/3rd party software.Intel should not be force fed to players. Player skill and iniative should be the sources of intel.

Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#735 - 2012-11-15 05:30:23 UTC
Mirima Thurander wrote:
I have read this I still don't like it.
It still makes your lives to easy with free Intel.

U still had to take no precaution besides staring at local.

How about near a gate show up in local. Near a station show up in local. Near a poco show up in local.

This way u can see me show up but u truly never know if Leave or not.


the system is broken because killing ratters isn't absolutely effortless?

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Theodoric Darkwind
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#736 - 2012-11-15 05:58:47 UTC
Mirima Thurander wrote:


You have probes, combat probes, deep space probes, and D-Scan.
If you dont know how they work ask Your wh dwelling friends about there combat scanning.

Local is the tool of the weak minded sheep of null sec. You should be ashamed of your self.



All of those options do absolutely jack **** to save you from a bomber gang. Basically with no local in nullsec any random bomber gang is garanteed as many free kills as they want.

who said we didn't have people to shoot at?

I know you want your free ratter kill everytime you jump into a new system but if CCP did in fact remove local from null you would just end up with a vast empty space (moreso than it is now because of truesec only making a few systems even worth ratting in) because most nullsec players would simply move their isk making on to highsec alts or just unsub entirely.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#737 - 2012-11-15 06:01:13 UTC
Theodoric Darkwind wrote:
Mirima Thurander wrote:


You have probes, combat probes, deep space probes, and D-Scan.
If you dont know how they work ask Your wh dwelling friends about there combat scanning.

Local is the tool of the weak minded sheep of null sec. You should be ashamed of your self.



All of those options do absolutely jack **** to save you from a bomber gang. Basically with no local in nullsec any random bomber gang is garanteed as many free kills as they want.

who said we didn't have people to shoot at?

I know you want your free ratter kill everytime you jump into a new system but if CCP did in fact remove local from null you would just end up with a vast empty space (moreso than it is now because of truesec only making a few systems even worth ratting in) because most nullsec players would simply move their isk making on to highsec alts or just unsub entirely.

SCREW YOUR NULLSEC AGENDA
I WON'T BE A PART OF YOUR SYSTEM
MAAAAAAAAAAAN

Enjoying the rain today? ;)

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#738 - 2012-11-15 06:09:33 UTC
Theodoric Darkwind wrote:
Mirima Thurander wrote:


You have probes, combat probes, deep space probes, and D-Scan.
If you dont know how they work ask Your wh dwelling friends about there combat scanning.

Local is the tool of the weak minded sheep of null sec. You should be ashamed of your self.

All of those options do absolutely jack **** to save you from a bomber gang. Basically with no local in nullsec any random bomber gang is garanteed as many free kills as they want.

As a bomber blobber, I think this would be a great thing. Kcolor can really use his bombers to wipe out an elitepvpblob, please makes this easier.

I also love the killmails the bombing alt I use can get on.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?

Theodoric Darkwind
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#739 - 2012-11-15 06:10:01 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:

SCREW YOUR NULLSEC AGENDA
I WON'T BE A PART OF YOUR SYSTEM
MAAAAAAAAAAAN


no local is fine in w-space where its mechanics limit blobs.

In nullsec where a wild blob can appear out of nowhere, no local is just bad.

in b4 "nerf blobs", blobs are part of the nullsec experience, deal with it.

the only ones complaining about nullsec local are pirates who do nothing but kill ratters, and from the looks of most killboards, they dont have any trouble finding ratters to kill even with nullsec local.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#740 - 2012-11-15 06:13:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Alavaria Fera
Theodoric Darkwind wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:

SCREW YOUR NULLSEC AGENDA
I WON'T BE A PART OF YOUR SYSTEM
MAAAAAAAAAAAN


no local is fine in w-space where its mechanics limit blobs.

In nullsec where a wild blob can appear out of nowhere, no local is just bad.

in b4 "nerf blobs", blobs are part of the nullsec experience, deal with it.

the only ones complaining about nullsec local are pirates who do nothing but kill ratters, and from the looks of most killboards, they dont have any trouble finding ratters to kill even with nullsec local.

You jump into nullsec !

A wild blob has appeared !

Blob uses Call Primary !

It's super effective !

Random PvPer has been exploded !

Blob uses Bubble !

It's effective !

Random PvPer has been podded !

Random PvPer dropped: Wreck, modules, tears

Blob has gained: 3 XP !

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?