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New Dev Blog: Player-owned Customs Office

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bilingi
Grandeur Illusions
#1041 - 2011-10-20 11:26:28 UTC
Basicly since he knows not to much about eve he should have been on that fireing list they just went thru.
Dr Mercy
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#1042 - 2011-10-20 11:26:37 UTC
Crossposting from the FHC thread on this: http://failheap-challenge.com/showthread.php?4144-DEVBLOG-Player-owned-customs-office

I wrote:

It occurs to me that unless there is an (optional) mechanic to steal ownership of a PCO then the natural preference of lowsec natives to salt the earth (rather than leaving a stable population to 'farm') will practically ensure that individual PI entrepreneurs will not operate anywhere except lowsec backwater islands as the PCOs they are using will be destroyed.

Make isk with PI: http://failheap-challenge.com/showthread.php?1207-What-to-do-PI-Processor-only-planets

Sashaaa
4S Corporation
The Initiative.
#1043 - 2011-10-20 11:32:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Sashaaa
I am truly sorry for all the CCP employees that are going to lose their jobs.

However, judging by CCP Omen's responses in this thread, he is totally clueless about this game and how people play it.

I was just wondering if he is still going to have a job within CCP, and if so why ?
Dr Mercy
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#1044 - 2011-10-20 11:38:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Dr Mercy
And please add a simple corp hanger? I did have 10x the space planned for the corp hanger, but that just makes the personal hanger size obsolete. 35,000m3 for both then, I guess.

http://i.imgur.com/rSdoZ.png becomes http://i.imgur.com/VQAc0.png

Make isk with PI: http://failheap-challenge.com/showthread.php?1207-What-to-do-PI-Processor-only-planets

Via Shivon
#1045 - 2011-10-20 11:47:02 UTC
this thread is full of tears *rofl*

this game is a MMO - MASSIVE Multiplayer Online game: You are NOT suppose to play ths game all allone...
You SHOULD interact with other ppl, join corps, join allys....
So stop ******* crying because you cant get rich anymore doing PI ALL ALLONE, having a POS ALL ALLONE, you are NOT suppose to...

Just stop PI then if its to complicatet, to expensive because of those LOLTAXES or JOIN A CORP OR ALLY ...
And nothing is wrong on big blobs...real life is full of big blobs : USA, RUSSIAN, EUROS....its normal

CCP has to fire ppl because of mistakes and PI in is actuall way its fail - SOOOO MUCH ******* AFK ISK coming in the game, every idiot can pay 3 acc with isk from PI... and CCP earns? what?


Just stop crying, be constructive like allot ppl are in this thread and eat what comes or do something different.

PI is not the main part of eve...



Rek Seven
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#1046 - 2011-10-20 11:47:34 UTC
Solo Player wrote:
Rek Seven wrote:
As a percentage, how much more material is on a low sec planet compared to a high sec planet?

I'm just thinking that if a low sec planet has a 50% better yield than a high sec planet but the this new system restricts high sec tax to 10% max, would it be feasible to set low sec tax to anything above 15%?

I get the impression that people think that the risk of doing PI in low sec does not outweigh the benefit, so perhaps for this to work, low sec pi would need to be buffed significantly to bring it closer inline with that of WH space and PI in null sec should be nerfed to prevent massive alliances from gaining a monopoly over the system...



let's see: high sec profits * 1.5 (50% increase) * 0.85 (detract 15% tariffs) / (0.90 (high sec profits - high sec tariffs) equals about 1.4, so there's easily 40% more profit in low sec at the taxes you suggest. even upping those taxes to 40% would still give you profits on a level to high sec. Of course, this does not calculate the difference in risk.

Edit: yay, #1000!


Then maybe CCP need to seriously consider buffing low sec PI materials to a level closer to that of null sec and WH space if they want this to work.

I think Low sec POCO are at the biggest risk of being attacked by random gangs so there has to be a major advantage for people to set a POCO up in low sec.
Jade Nexia
CHON
THE R0NIN
#1047 - 2011-10-20 11:48:28 UTC
Bad bones of idea around POCO:

1) presumption about that someone will share planet if he will have posibility to lock it down. Lock it down mean more profit and eliminating competition. Monopoly do you know it from RL life? There are laws against monopoly and it has reason.
2) logs in wallet show exactly who and when he did pay taxes. When I want hunt down someone who is in my space. I would put small taxes on POCO to see who and when, then I will just camp POCO with cloked gang boat and kill him. Free juicy targets.
3) all CO's will be eliminated in one single step, with supply of BPC just from LP store will production of new POCOs slowly fullfil market needs. CCP know how many active planets actually producing PI to market. Imagine spike in demand/supply chain at least in one month transition period. POCOs wouldn't cost 100mil but I expect it in first few weeks going over 1bil per each.
4) POCOs can be set up only player who is in corporation and have correct rights to do it. How many coporations have given these rights to all members? I can't imagine that I would travel across EVE universe just because some peon in my corporation want to POCO at particular planet. BTW it completely block access to PI for huge number of players in EVE.

Conclusion: I can foresee 1st flashes of it by just cheacking graphs on market. PI pices will go 10 times expensive than are, then will slowly fall down over months. Because many planets get locked just for only owner of POCO and his friends (may be). Most of PI producers would give it up or partially move alts to high-sec. High sec planets does produce 1/5 to 1/10 of what planets in 0.0 or wh-space does. So I do expect new stable prices around 5 times more expensive than are pre-blog annoucement.

It is really what Omen want to, or he has no authority who will correct him? Are there in CCP any senior developers who can teach other to rething steps with more care?

Quick bandage of bad idea is removing ability to lock down POCO access, 100% taxes could be enough. Owner still have great intel adventage by just checking wallet to see who and when using his POCO. It is like having cloaked spy 24/7 sitting at all his owned POCOs.
Sashaaa
4S Corporation
The Initiative.
#1048 - 2011-10-20 11:50:50 UTC
Via Shivon wrote:
SOOOO MUCH ******* AFK ISK coming in the game, every idiot can pay 3 acc with isk from PI... and CCP earns? what?


ummm....your tech moons - no AFK ISK coming in there

Jeez

Rek Seven
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#1049 - 2011-10-20 11:52:13 UTC
Sashaaa wrote:
I am truly sorry for all the CCP employees that are going to lose their jobs.

However, judging by CCP Omen's responses in this thread, he is totally clueless about this game and how people play it.

I was just wondering if he is still going to have a job within CCP, and if so why ?


Damn, you guys need to take a long hard look at your selves... Calling for people to be fired because they have the desency to try and answer some questions?! That's real scummy.

How many games have you played where the developers are this active on the forums and let you know way ahead of time what they have planed?
Jade Nexia
CHON
THE R0NIN
#1050 - 2011-10-20 11:54:00 UTC
Via Shivon wrote:
this thread is full of tears *rofl*

this game is a MMO - MASSIVE Multiplayer Online game: You are NOT suppose to play ths game all allone...
You SHOULD interact with other ppl, join corps, join allys....
So stop ******* crying because you cant get rich anymore doing PI ALL ALLONE, having a POS ALL ALLONE, you are NOT suppose to...

Just stop PI then if its to complicatet, to expensive because of those LOLTAXES or JOIN A CORP OR ALLY ...
And nothing is wrong on big blobs...real life is full of big blobs : USA, RUSSIAN, EUROS....its normal

CCP has to fire ppl because of mistakes and PI in is actuall way its fail - SOOOO MUCH ******* AFK ISK coming in the game, every idiot can pay 3 acc with isk from PI... and CCP earns? what?


Just stop crying, be constructive like allot ppl are in this thread and eat what comes or do something different.

PI is not the main part of eve...





dear Via Shivon,

PI is main part of eve, everything in your T2 ship and T2 module is build from materials produced in PI. Without PI you shiny T2,T3 wouldn't evere exist. Enjoy time flying T1 ship with T1 fit, if you think that PI isn't main part of EVE. Think twice before you raise your voice.

Thank you
Rek Seven
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#1051 - 2011-10-20 11:58:41 UTC
Jade Nexia wrote:
Via Shivon wrote:
this thread is full of tears *rofl*

this game is a MMO - MASSIVE Multiplayer Online game: You are NOT suppose to play ths game all allone...
You SHOULD interact with other ppl, join corps, join allys....
So stop ******* crying because you cant get rich anymore doing PI ALL ALLONE, having a POS ALL ALLONE, you are NOT suppose to...

Just stop PI then if its to complicatet, to expensive because of those LOLTAXES or JOIN A CORP OR ALLY ...
And nothing is wrong on big blobs...real life is full of big blobs : USA, RUSSIAN, EUROS....its normal

CCP has to fire ppl because of mistakes and PI in is actuall way its fail - SOOOO MUCH ******* AFK ISK coming in the game, every idiot can pay 3 acc with isk from PI... and CCP earns? what?


Just stop crying, be constructive like allot ppl are in this thread and eat what comes or do something different.

PI is not the main part of eve...





dear Via Shivon,

PI is main part of eve, everything in your T2 ship and T2 module is build from materials produced in PI. Without PI you shiny T2,T3 wouldn't evere exist. Enjoy time flying T1 ship with T1 fit, if you think that PI isn't main part of EVE. Think twice before you raise your voice.

Thank you


Yes but it is a relatively new feature so it's foolish to think that it would never change. And don't kid yourself, some crybabies may stop their PI production but new PI industrialists will spring up to take their place.
Scrapyard Bob
EVE University
Ivy League
#1052 - 2011-10-20 12:05:01 UTC
Mikron Alexarr wrote:
[quote=CCP Nullarbor]
Sad stuff aside, I've been (sadly) following this thread for entirely too long. I'm still seeing a lot of the same information being posted. If you are considering posting, please tie your comments back to something that's been said previously if you haven't got something altogether different to say. It will make it easier for the information to be digested by the people that actually need to hear what the players have to say.


People aren't used to using the "Like" button to push stuff to the top and they want to get their 0.02 ISK.
Sashaaa
4S Corporation
The Initiative.
#1053 - 2011-10-20 12:07:10 UTC
Rek Seven wrote:
Sashaaa wrote:
I am truly sorry for all the CCP employees that are going to lose their jobs.

However, judging by CCP Omen's responses in this thread, he is totally clueless about this game and how people play it.

I was just wondering if he is still going to have a job within CCP, and if so why ?


Damn, you guys need to take a long hard look at your selves... Calling for people to be fired because they have the desency to try and answer some questions?! That's real scummy.

How many games have you played where the developers are this active on the forums and let you know way ahead of time what they have planed?


I am not calling for anyone to be sacked.

I was just suggesting that if people need to be sacked, they should keep the guys who have a clue.

Ingvar Angst
Nasty Pope Holding Corp
#1054 - 2011-10-20 12:09:32 UTC
The deafening silence we're getting with regards to addressing concerns and issues is speaking volumes.

Six months in the hole... it changes a man.

Jack Dant
The Gentlemen of Low Moral Fibre
#1055 - 2011-10-20 12:26:32 UTC
One thing I don't think anyone else has mentioned (but can't be bothered to read the last 20 pages), is that "100% tax" is far from 100% of market price. It's 12k isk for P3 items (such as robotics, currently 70k market price), and just 180 isk por P2 (such as coolant, uranium, mech parts, currently around 10k on market).

The only exception is P4 items where 100% tax is 1 million isk.

What happens in lowsec, stays in lowsec, lowering the barrier to entry to lowsec PVP: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=476644&#post476644

Desiderya
Blue Canary
Watch This
#1056 - 2011-10-20 12:29:27 UTC
Quote:

SOOOO MUCH ******* AFK ISK coming in the game, every idiot can pay 3 acc with isk from PI... and CCP earns? what?


CCP earns the money from the ones who bought the PLEX for $ in the first place. I know, difficult concept to grasp...

Ruthlessness is the kindness of the wise.

Linda Shadowborn
Dark Steel Industries
#1057 - 2011-10-20 12:32:41 UTC
Desiderya wrote:
Quote:

SOOOO MUCH ******* AFK ISK coming in the game, every idiot can pay 3 acc with isk from PI... and CCP earns? what?


CCP earns the money from the ones who bought the PLEX for $ in the first place. I know, difficult concept to grasp...


Also PI doesnt add any isk to the game, just moves the isk already there around. And in fact at the moment it removes a .. tiny amount :)
Quetazal
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#1058 - 2011-10-20 12:41:09 UTC
There needs to be a new corp Role: Construct Customs Office

oh and Manager of customs office.

Most corps. worth there salt don't give out Config Starbase
Sierra Hotel
EVE University
Ivy League
#1059 - 2011-10-20 12:49:53 UTC
I don't think CCP has really thought this through and I think this is a bad idea. The CSM might have brought it up but a change this big should probably get a citizen vote. As far as the comments about this being an MMO and if I want to play I NEED to be in a large corp blah, blah, blah. I really have to laugh at the stupidity of people who say it's an MMO and you need to interact with players more. Those are the people who have no RL interaction and thus must force others into their "world". It's a game and I and others play it the way we chose to enjoy it or we take our money elsewhere. Peak time players used to be in the 50k range, recently I have noticed that it is around 40k. A 20% drop is bad for any business. 80% of businesses are small business and constantly rewarding the bully alliances more power in the game just reduces the interaction that CCP supposedly wants. I suggest CCP reconsider it's approach of mega corps and alliances and tune the game to support smaller corporations where members aren't just another toon, they are part of the team. I could go on but it would be pointless since I don't think anyone really "listens" in here anyway. If CCP insists on putting this forward I would suggest the following.
1. Only implement this where there is player sovereignty.
2. Use a land grab approach to the CO's. For example in a certain time frame have their ownership "expire" spaced randomly with time. Once a CO expires it can be claimed through a visitation process. (however you want to implement, could be a right click to claim with a 5, 10 min timer) Until it is "claimed" the CO still works like normal. Once claimed it becomes the property of the owner and if destroyed must be replaced. This will minimize the transition for PI products (prices have already double in the last two days.)
3. Increase the command centers ability to upload PI to space. Not as easy as the CO but enough to make it worth playing Ninja.
Via Shivon
#1060 - 2011-10-20 12:51:20 UTC
Sashaaa wrote:
Via Shivon wrote:
SOOOO MUCH ******* AFK ISK coming in the game, every idiot can pay 3 acc with isk from PI... and CCP earns? what?


ummm....your tech moons - no AFK ISK coming in there

Jeez



yeah shure you think we get our acc paid from moon res? lol