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i am disappointed in null sec people. (TL:DR talking about local chat.) read first post.

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Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#661 - 2012-11-13 01:34:42 UTC
MasterEnt wrote:
And I'm sorry... did you say you don't need to use probes in WHs?
Who the frack are you kidding

Bad at reading, you are.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Mirima Thurander
#662 - 2012-11-13 03:06:33 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
MasterEnt wrote:
And I'm sorry... did you say you don't need to use probes in WHs?
Who the frack are you kidding

Bad at reading, you are.

and your bad at EvE.

All automated intel should be removed from the game including Instant local/jumps/kills/cynos for all systems/regions.Eve should report nothing like this to the client/3rd party software.Intel should not be force fed to players. Player skill and iniative should be the sources of intel.
MasterEnt
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#663 - 2012-11-13 03:11:17 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
MasterEnt wrote:
And I'm sorry... did you say you don't need to use probes in WHs?
Who the frack are you kidding

Bad at reading, you are.


No sweetie, you just really suck at making your point.
Mirima Thurander
#664 - 2012-11-13 03:12:51 UTC
MasterEnt wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:
MasterEnt wrote:
And I'm sorry... did you say you don't need to use probes in WHs?
Who the frack are you kidding

Bad at reading, you are.


No sweetie, you just really suck at making your point.



sweetie lulz

All automated intel should be removed from the game including Instant local/jumps/kills/cynos for all systems/regions.Eve should report nothing like this to the client/3rd party software.Intel should not be force fed to players. Player skill and iniative should be the sources of intel.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#665 - 2012-11-13 03:15:40 UTC
MasterEnt wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:
MasterEnt wrote:
And I'm sorry... did you say you don't need to use probes in WHs?
Who the frack are you kidding

Bad at reading, you are.


No sweetie, you just really suck at making your point.

Hint: "vs."

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Signal11th
#666 - 2012-11-13 08:47:06 UTC
I do love the way people say "adapt or die" unless it directly affects them of course to which the whole thing is then unworkable.

0.0 will fight tooth and nail to keep local because it will affect isk making plain and simple and will be harder work for the intel guys. It will cause major angst for people who aren't very good and everyone else will just carry on as normal.

Although removing local is one of those things that could either very good for EVE or could cause 0.0 to basically die a very slow death (lthough it's been doing that since 2000 according to the forums!! Lol)

Why not a trial? Say a month or 2 long enough to work around the issues it would create and short enough to suffer if it doesn't work.

Personally anything that creates something new in 0.0 and stops the relentless march of the big blue ball is fine by me.

God Said "Come Forth and receive eternal life!" I came fifth and won a toaster!
KrakizBad
Section 8.
#667 - 2012-11-13 08:49:04 UTC
Signal11th wrote:
I do love the way people say "adapt or die" unless it directly affects them of course to which the whole thing is then unworkable.

0.0 will fight tooth and nail to keep local because it will affect isk making plain and simple and will be harder work for the intel guys. It will cause major angst for people who aren't very good and everyone else will just carry on as normal.

Although removing local is one of those things that could either very good for EVE or could cause 0.0 to basically die a very slow death (lthough it's been doing that since 2000 according to the forums!! Lol)

Why not a trial? Say a month or 2 long enough to work around the issues it would create and short enough to suffer if it doesn't work.

Personally anything that creates something new in 0.0 and stops the relentless march of the big blue ball is fine by me.

Can we simultaneously try removing CONCORD in hisec? Seeing as null will be empty, it will give us something to do.
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#668 - 2012-11-13 08:50:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Lord Zim
MasterEnt wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:
MasterEnt wrote:
And I'm sorry... did you say you don't need to use probes in WHs?
Who the frack are you kidding

Bad at reading, you are.


No sweetie, you just really suck at making your point.

I'll give you a quick hint: what I did was do a comparison of WHs vs k-space. Let's see if you can figure out which part of the equation "doesn't need to probe down" falls on.

"Sweetie."

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Signal11th
#669 - 2012-11-13 08:51:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Signal11th
KrakizBad wrote:
Signal11th wrote:
I do love the way people say "adapt or die" unless it directly affects them of course to which the whole thing is then unworkable.

0.0 will fight tooth and nail to keep local because it will affect isk making plain and simple and will be harder work for the intel guys. It will cause major angst for people who aren't very good and everyone else will just carry on as normal.

Although removing local is one of those things that could either very good for EVE or could cause 0.0 to basically die a very slow death (lthough it's been doing that since 2000 according to the forums!! Lol)

Why not a trial? Say a month or 2 long enough to work around the issues it would create and short enough to suffer if it doesn't work.

Personally anything that creates something new in 0.0 and stops the relentless march of the big blue ball is fine by me.

Can we simultaneously try removing CONCORD in hisec? Seeing as null will be empty, it will give us something to do.



Why will it be empty? I'd go back there in a flash if they removed local quite a few other ex 0.0 players I know would as well.

God Said "Come Forth and receive eternal life!" I came fifth and won a toaster!
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#670 - 2012-11-13 08:52:13 UTC
Signal11th wrote:
Why will it be empty? I'd go back there in a flash if they removed local

And do what?

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Signal11th
#671 - 2012-11-13 08:56:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Signal11th
Lord Zim wrote:
Signal11th wrote:
Why will it be empty? I'd go back there in a flash if they removed local

And do what?



humm do exactly the same as what I did previously just with extra "ooohhh scary" The thing is like most new ideas it needs work, remove local then you have to scan anoms down instead of them just being on d-scan. People can still make isk they just cant afk it or be lazy.

God Said "Come Forth and receive eternal life!" I came fifth and won a toaster!
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#672 - 2012-11-13 08:58:15 UTC
Signal11th wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:
Signal11th wrote:
Why will it be empty? I'd go back there in a flash if they removed local

And do what?

humm do exactly the same as what I did previously just with extra "ooohhh scary" The thing is like most new ideas it needs work, remove local then you have to scan anoms down instead of them just being on d-scan. People can still make isk they just cant afk it or be lazy.

What's keeping you from being in WHs as it is?

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Signal11th
#673 - 2012-11-13 09:00:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Signal11th
Lord Zim wrote:
Signal11th wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:
Signal11th wrote:
Why will it be empty? I'd go back there in a flash if they removed local

And do what?

humm do exactly the same as what I did previously just with extra "ooohhh scary" The thing is like most new ideas it needs work, remove local then you have to scan anoms down instead of them just being on d-scan. People can still make isk they just cant afk it or be lazy.

What's keeping you from being in WHs as it is?



Who said I wasn't in some form? The thing is I do /have done both and both have good points and bad points but the good points in WH's are what I class as the bad points in 0.0 e.g "local"

God Said "Come Forth and receive eternal life!" I came fifth and won a toaster!
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#674 - 2012-11-13 09:09:19 UTC
Signal11th wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:
Signal11th wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:
Signal11th wrote:
Why will it be empty? I'd go back there in a flash if they removed local

And do what?

humm do exactly the same as what I did previously just with extra "ooohhh scary" The thing is like most new ideas it needs work, remove local then you have to scan anoms down instead of them just being on d-scan. People can still make isk they just cant afk it or be lazy.

What's keeping you from being in WHs as it is?

Who said I wasn't in some form? The thing is I do /have done both and both have good points and bad points but the good points in WH's are what I class as the bad points in 0.0 e.g "local"

Then I guess the question must be, why move away from WH rewards to nullsec rewards, but with an increased risk?

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Signal11th
#675 - 2012-11-13 09:29:07 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
Then I guess the question must be, why move away from WH rewards to nullsec rewards, but with an increased risk?



Because then 0.0 would become the much vaunted area it should be and not what it currently is which resembles soggy trifle pudding.

I plan more going in low-sec and Jita than I ever do going into 0.0.

God Said "Come Forth and receive eternal life!" I came fifth and won a toaster!
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#676 - 2012-11-13 10:37:11 UTC
So you want to make nullsec into a more dangerous WH so you can go more into lowsec and jita than nullsec? vOv

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Signal11th
#677 - 2012-11-13 10:48:20 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
So you want to make nullsec into a more dangerous WH so you can go more into lowsec and jita than nullsec? vOv


??? You seem to be going around in circles Zim without actually going anywhere, what's so wrong with a small trial.

See I can also make glib remarks.

God Said "Come Forth and receive eternal life!" I came fifth and won a toaster!
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#678 - 2012-11-13 10:54:22 UTC
Signal11th wrote:
what's so wrong with a small trial.

Pretty certain we've had a trial where local disappeared for a week or whatever it was, and activity dropped off a cliff. We've also seen what happened when just the rewards were reduced with the anoms nerf (i.e. whole regions went from being fairly populous, to more or less completely empty).

In short, nullsec would empty out even further of people making isk there, and the few roaming gangs that are still operating would be having a ***** of a time even finding one another.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Inquisitor Kitchner
The Executives
#679 - 2012-11-13 11:32:01 UTC
Signal11th wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:
So you want to make nullsec into a more dangerous WH so you can go more into lowsec and jita than nullsec? vOv


??? You seem to be going around in circles Zim without actually going anywhere, what's so wrong with a small trial.

See I can also make glib remarks.



Because you can't recover from the damage that would be caused by ideas that would kill off activity in Null. People would stop living there and move to High. When they are back in High they wouldn't go back to null because they realise you make almost as much money for no-where near as much risk.

"If an injury has to be done to a man it should be so severe that his vengeance need not be feared." - Niccolo Machiavelli
Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#680 - 2012-11-13 11:41:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Lin-Young Borovskova
Signal11th wrote:
Why not a trial? Say a month or 2 long enough to work around the issues it would create and short enough to suffer if it doesn't work.



I'm ok with that the moment at the same time all wh's get regular gates access. I'm actually all for it and quite sure a huge number of null sec guys too.

Not sure you'd appreciate to be homeless again at the first week of that trial period. But yep, CCP plz do this, remove us local and put regular gates to access WH's.

Me wants to kill your towers, loot your corp hangars full of nice bpo's and nanoribonds, hell I'm sure it's far more profitable than freighters Cool

brb